That's very narrow minded of you then. Hitler was the decision maker. This guy is the result of those decisions. I don't know why you can't see the difference. Imagine a vegan got happy that someone died of food poisoning by eating a burger. I am not saying this is the same, but to him and the culture he grew up in it is the same thing.
Hero bull kills top Spanish matador on live TV
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We could say this kind of thing about a lot of the fecked up, hateful and sadistic people in the world.
Theres a difference between a drawn out torture of an animal for entertainment and killing it for food. Even the most militant vegans would agree with that.
Maybe his death will discourage fellow idiots from going down the same route.
I totally agree there's a difference which is why I hate this sport but celebrating his death does not achieve anything. Again, there's a difference between murderes and bull fighters. You have to understand this is not someone straying of the norm. Wherever he grew up, this WAS the norm.
I come from a background where cockfighting is considered normal. up until my late teens I didn't see anything wrong with it. Only until I spent some time in the west is when I realized how brutal and barbaric it is to see two brids gore each other to death for your own entertainment.
Perspective and your culture are powerful things. You cannot just expect that this guy would have realized what he did wrong. We need to think of this in a more educated manner rather than celebrating deaths. His death should also be one of the reasons why this sport is wrong -- not just the bulls being tortured.
That is unlikely. It is a gruesome sport. Awarness and strict laws will do a better job.
Always good to see an underdog win
BULLSHIT!
He would have been fully aware of the opposition to his "sport" and the reasoning behind its marginalisation.
His is a conscious choice to inflict this abhorent cruelty.
Unless you are suggesting he was not mentally competent, in which case it would be good enough reason to shut it all down.
In Portugal the horns need to have something over but not in Spain or MexicoHm, it looks a lot like Crete - and I read an article somewhere saying that scientifically it's almost impossible to perform like this. They cropped the bull's horns in your video though
Many, if not perhaps most of these people, are nice people (or "normal", to put it another way). They're doing cnutish stuff, and they'll fight for their right to do it, like Americans do with their guns. I abhoerre bullfights and will always stand against them, but @shamans has some relevant points in there. You need to be closer to understand the issue.
Strange that the meat is expensive. In America we use bull meat for hamburgers. Well, that and old dairy cows.
It's sad that the bull would have eventually died, RIP bull 
Dunno how true it is, but I read that if the bull wins, they kill him and the rest of his living bloodline. Not sure why. Do they think the bloodline is part of a breed of ninja-like human-killing Super Bulls?It's sad that the bull would have eventually died, RIP bull
The shittiest of sports.
Finally some sense. I've resisted saying this because it'll just re-initiate another tedious vegetarian debate but I don't see much difference between bullfighting and eating a burger. Both involve the torture and murder of animals for pleasure.
Quite. I'm also willing to bet most folks have never been in a field with a real bull before. A bull can do serious damage. I know a farmer who was almost killed by a bull, left with very serious injuries. I'm not defending bull fighting but the PC brigade need to wise up and realise bulls are horrible cnuts.
Ban it
The fact that Bull was going to be killed anyway makes me give less of a shit about the Matador dying. Good on the bull for taking him down with him.
Plus one for Darwinism.
Plus one for Darwinism.
Yes, because slaughter of a bull in a slaughterhouse which today is done as humanely as possible is totally comparable to slowly torturing a bull to death by stabbing it with swords.
Also the meaning behind it is totally the same. I mean producing food vs producing entertainment out of killing a bull, it is virtually the same thing. Hardly possible to seperate.
And no, I dont want to do a tedious veggie debate, since there is no debate to be had. Just get a handheld mirror, gape really wide and analyze your teeth, and there you will have the answer for what nature and evolution intended for you to eat.
Bulls are unintelligent 1000 pound animals with huge horns and massive amounts of testosterone, what do you expect?
If you lump your skinny ass in the sea and get attacked by a Great White who mistakes you for a seal, was that shark a cnut then? Or did it just act upon it's instinct, nature and evolutionary path?
Yeah, I refuse to eat any McDonalds beef that hasn't been made to run around town and then a bull pen after being strategically stabbed in the neck and back, all to make Spanish boys in skin tight Halloween costumes look badass...
Cats are horrible cnuts too and a dog tried chewing my leg off when I was kid. I can't imagine you'd ever want to see cats and dog go through something similar.
These two guys and their "arguments" are just totally off. I think one suffers under the lack of animal proteine, and the other under the lack of understanding of nature.Yeah, I refuse to eat any McDonalds beef that hasn't been made to run around town and then a bull pen after being strategically stabbed in the neck and back, all to make Spanish boys in skin tight Halloween costumes look badass...
Cats are horrible cnuts too and a dog tried chewing my leg off when I was kid. I can't imagine you'd ever want to see cats and dog go through something similar.
Sharks are cnuts too. It's a well known fact.
The truest cnuts in nature are the Bullshark (ridiculously agressive, territorial) and the saltwater croc (hunts for humans, territorial).
I long for the day when we master the art of underwater 'matadoring'. Now that would be REAL evolutionary progress.
Cats aren't cnuts. Cats are cool. Cool cats.Yeah, I refuse to eat any McDonalds beef that hasn't been made to run around town and then a bull pen after being strategically stabbed in the neck and back, all to make Spanish boys in skin tight Halloween costumes look badass...
Cats are horrible cnuts too and a dog tried chewing my leg off when I was kid. I can't imagine you'd ever want to see cats and dog go through something similar.
Cats are horrible sociopaths. I despise them.
And geese. But I suppose we already torture them...
I respect the cat. Always look after number 1. Cool cats.
Geese? Really?
I just got horribly harassed privately by a mod due to my hatred for cats.
You're deluded if you think the average slaughter of the bull is done as humanely as possible. We don't meat to survive - we eat it because it feels good (the same reason why they fight bulls).
Sadly this is more likely to make the "sport" even more rigged.
Hopefully the death will discourage those thinking about starting a career in the "sport"..
And no sympathy at all. He asked for it, and for once, the bull complied.
Hopefully the death will discourage those thinking about starting a career in the "sport"..
And no sympathy at all. He asked for it, and for once, the bull complied.
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Bizarre "sport". Can't say I feel any compassion for the matador.
I saw a live bullfight in Madrid around 2010/11. I took my girlfriend at the time (I know, what a romantic bastard I am!) . I went in knowing that I wouldn't enjoy it but it was my attempt at experiencing culture, "seeing the world", including the negative sides of it. I went in expecting a surreal experience, to witness an abhorrent event take place in a seemingly westernized part of the globe. It's odd to see such an archaic form of "entertainment" still in practice with quite surprising popularity. It wasn't in some underground part of Spain but in Spain's capital city and in a very much celebrated stadium called Las Ventas, it holds around 24k people.
It was absolutely bizarre and I felt as if I was in another era. The bull had clearly been sedated and god knows what else the animal had been subjected to before the "fight", but the thing that perhaps got to me the most was that the very large crowd were all jeering the bull en masse, I felt alone as someone who went to experience the strange and not to actively cheer on people who are torturing and murdering an animal. I had expected the crowd to be a bit more neutral than they were, perhaps with more likeminded people who went in for an experience of watching something different from the norm or maybe some undecided people who would go without knowing if it was for them or not.
It's not something I would want to see again but I am glad I saw a bull "fight", it's an experience that is unlike anything else I have had (not a positive one), it was odd being surrounded by the expectation of barbarity for entertainments sake. It's not a sport, it is public execution and torture of an animal. I don't necessarily feel elation when I read about matadors being gored, injured or in this case killed but I certainly do not care that they end up hurt. "feck 'em", If your job involves provoking and killing potentially dangerous animals that are simply trying to survive then to get hurt by them once in a while is an occupational hazard that should happen more frequently than it does. If it truly was treated as a sport the bull should be free to live a privileged life as he won, I'm assuming this wasn't the outcome though.
It was absolutely bizarre and I felt as if I was in another era. The bull had clearly been sedated and god knows what else the animal had been subjected to before the "fight", but the thing that perhaps got to me the most was that the very large crowd were all jeering the bull en masse, I felt alone as someone who went to experience the strange and not to actively cheer on people who are torturing and murdering an animal. I had expected the crowd to be a bit more neutral than they were, perhaps with more likeminded people who went in for an experience of watching something different from the norm or maybe some undecided people who would go without knowing if it was for them or not.
It's not something I would want to see again but I am glad I saw a bull "fight", it's an experience that is unlike anything else I have had (not a positive one), it was odd being surrounded by the expectation of barbarity for entertainments sake. It's not a sport, it is public execution and torture of an animal. I don't necessarily feel elation when I read about matadors being gored, injured or in this case killed but I certainly do not care that they end up hurt. "feck 'em", If your job involves provoking and killing potentially dangerous animals that are simply trying to survive then to get hurt by them once in a while is an occupational hazard that should happen more frequently than it does. If it truly was treated as a sport the bull should be free to live a privileged life as he won, I'm assuming this wasn't the outcome though.
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I'm a meat eater and love eating my meat but you clearly have no understanding of the meat industry. It is brutal. Especially in countries that aren't fully developed.
Anyway, for arguments sake suppose that I am right and the meat industry really is gross where cows go through a lot of pain, would you be celebrating if someone died of eating a burger? Problems need to be solved. Deaths due to that problem should not be celebrated.
I think I am done arguing in this thread though.
A matador is more akin to a really fecked up slaughterhouse worker than a consumer. Would I care if one of the cows killed the slaughterhouse worker in the story below. Probably not.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-bludgeoned-death-sledgehammers-Vietnam.html
Also, Spain isn't a less developed country. There might be a need for education in a developing country but in Spain, you would have hoped they'd be more clued on regarding animal welfare.
Well I don't think that's right. He is not the policy maker. He is part of a system where he's told a job to be done.
I think anybody who thinks a bullfight is a legitimate and fair 50/50 contest needs to educate themselves on this as it is clearly not in any way a balanced fight. People defend these matadors by basically saying "well they're brave to go into such an imbalanced scenario against a giant monster" but in reality it's quite the opposite, it is nowhere near as close to being a contest as it's portrayed to be. There is no honour in killing and there is especially no honour in killing that which is so disadvantaged to you. These bulls are not fit, able creatures before the "fights", the truth is:
The idea that animal slaughter is comparable is frankly a massive stretch. I'm sure that not ALL animal slaughterhouses are humane but in most civilised countries there are laws and regulations put in place to try to ensure that animals killed for consumption are done so as humanely possible. There really would be no reason not to, the people that do not follow these regulations are doing so immorally and (in most civilised societies) illegally. It's not comparable, unless you work under the assumption that all slaughterhouses have a similar process to inflicting what the bulls go through before a fight, if you believe that these slaughterhouses are in the majority then you sincerely need help. These animals are killed to be ate, you cannot compare an animal being killed in a factory to an animal that has experienced all of the above bullet points and killed for entertainment purposes. You could argue that neither are morally correct but the differences are vast. People eat meat largely for taste and nutritional purposes, I don't think people jeer their meat before they eat it.
- The bull gets tortured for 2 days prior to the event taking place.
- They are weakened, blinded from having substances rubbed in their eyes.
- Cotton is shoved up the nostrils to making breathing barely possible.
- Their legs are greased to make it hard to remain balance.
- They antagonize and provoke the bull by shoving wet paper in their ears and prodding the bulls testicles. Not to the mention that they are put in an enclosure without sun light for a few days and when the bull is finally let out (for the "fight") they run towards the light which is actually the bullring. They are not prepared or even capable of defence against trained matadors, occasionally (like here) the bull will get lucky and hurt the matador.
- If all of the above wasn't enough they also inject drugs into the animal to ensure that the bull is only semi-conscious.
- The "fight" isn't a one-on-one thing either, there are a series of secondary matadors who get involved intermittently stabbing the bull to further lower the odds of survival.
- The bull is not the only animal harmed in these fights, the secondary matadors ride horses and those get gored by bulls as they lash out at whatever they can.
The idea that animal slaughter is comparable is frankly a massive stretch. I'm sure that not ALL animal slaughterhouses are humane but in most civilised countries there are laws and regulations put in place to try to ensure that animals killed for consumption are done so as humanely possible. There really would be no reason not to, the people that do not follow these regulations are doing so immorally and (in most civilised societies) illegally. It's not comparable, unless you work under the assumption that all slaughterhouses have a similar process to inflicting what the bulls go through before a fight, if you believe that these slaughterhouses are in the majority then you sincerely need help. These animals are killed to be ate, you cannot compare an animal being killed in a factory to an animal that has experienced all of the above bullet points and killed for entertainment purposes. You could argue that neither are morally correct but the differences are vast. People eat meat largely for taste and nutritional purposes, I don't think people jeer their meat before they eat it.
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I'm no fan of bull fighting but I'm guessing you've never been near a bull? Pets they are not and never shall be. They're incredibly aggressive and would not hesitate to kill you if the opportunity arose. That's their nature, probably due to all the testosterone in their enormous balls, as I've found steers to be very pleasant animals.I actually had a pet bull when I was a kid. He was really friendly to be fair. Me and my family lived on a farm and looked after him from birth after his mother rejected him. He got massive though, as bulls do, so wasn't a pet for long.
Some of my best friends are Bulls.
I was very, very drunk when I wrote that (3.30am Sunday). But Tarrou and especially Ivor have backed up my drunken sentiments with real life facts, so screw you Dwayne.
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