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How Brighton BEAT Football
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
For now, they're doing great things and bravo to them.
But we'll be all here when it goes tits up and we all know it will as you can't really sell and replace year in, year out and have it going brilliantly for you each time.
But we'll be all here when it goes tits up and we all know it will as you can't really sell and replace year in, year out and have it going brilliantly for you each time.
He did naff all!
It's probably a generational thing but their football bores me.
The 30 pass move for the second goal is lauded. But pass number 20 was still in their own half.
Watching a team pass the ball so much in their own half is just dull. It might be effective at draining the opposition but it's also bloody good at draining the spectacle.
The 30 pass move for the second goal is lauded. But pass number 20 was still in their own half.
Watching a team pass the ball so much in their own half is just dull. It might be effective at draining the opposition but it's also bloody good at draining the spectacle.
Asking a bit much there.
Not yet. But clubs like Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth are doing extremely well to just stay in the PL given their size and resources.The hype is getting ridiculous. Have they qualified for the CL once?
Brighton have some similarities to Leicester in that they’re playing in a certain way that can be beaten but the pride of top clubs can’t allow them to play that way. Hence why West Ham are the club that beat them and Everton thrashed them last year but they have such success against other teams.
De Zerbi has come up with one of the best systems ever tactically for beating an aggressive press. Teams that expect to be better than Brighton - like Newcastle and Man United in consecutive games - go for it and get picked off at will. Because they’re so good in build-up, the way to play them is actually not to press them high up at all, Moyes style. But because ‘it’s only Brighton’ teams won’t do that and they’re reaping the benefits.
De Zerbi has come up with one of the best systems ever tactically for beating an aggressive press. Teams that expect to be better than Brighton - like Newcastle and Man United in consecutive games - go for it and get picked off at will. Because they’re so good in build-up, the way to play them is actually not to press them high up at all, Moyes style. But because ‘it’s only Brighton’ teams won’t do that and they’re reaping the benefits.
I don't know, trecking to Gillingham and back for 'home' games, watching the Goldstone being knocked down after it was stolen from the club and us so nearly knocked out of the professional leagues at the same time. Then standing in the rain and cold at possibly the worst ground in the country, The Withdean, because only one stand was covered (and that leaked), I feel like I've earnt this!
Why do I hear a sad violin?
Because for years we were shite, screwed over and skint!
Exactly, and if Brighton manage it then a lot of clubs will be looking to copy imo. They are making a lot of money in the process.
How can anyone really have a pop at Brighton ?
Right now, they are superior to United in almost every way, despite the fact we have spent a fortune and they just continue to sell their good players for great money and their replacements just fit in to their system without any issues.
Its a tough pill to swallow for us United fans but it is what it is.
Bravo to them i say, I'm not sure what their true ceiling is, maybe a Champions League spot but they seem to be getting better and better.
What happens when a bigger club comes in for their manager, can they replace him with yet another manager who just excels at Brighton ?
Right now, they are superior to United in almost every way, despite the fact we have spent a fortune and they just continue to sell their good players for great money and their replacements just fit in to their system without any issues.
Its a tough pill to swallow for us United fans but it is what it is.
Bravo to them i say, I'm not sure what their true ceiling is, maybe a Champions League spot but they seem to be getting better and better.
What happens when a bigger club comes in for their manager, can they replace him with yet another manager who just excels at Brighton ?
Poor football, Brighton beats it.
Think that's a really good point.
I understand everyone praising Brighton's recruitment because it has been exemplary for the majority but the whole replacing X with Y and not losing quality is always going to carry some risk.
They identified Jahanbansk and Locadia as high profile signings in terms of fee's paid at the time and they both were flops really. If they were to lose two key players next year and they are then replaced with 2 flops then suddenly they could be struggling. It's near impossible to get it right 100% of the time of course, or even 75% of the time.
We've seen it happen with quite a few clubs in the past although I'd have to say that Brighton are on a level above Southampton/Swansea. I think people expect their success to be linear but the first thing they have to do is establish themselves as a team that can handle the strain of 2 games a week which they haven't even started yet. Once they can do that for 2-3 seasons then they can look to kick on to the next step. IMO a decent cup run and a european spot (7-8th) would be a good season. I don't subscribe to the notion that they need to improve on last years league position for their season to be considered a success.
That's always the most difficult thing for these clubs outside of the top 6.
They identified Jahanbansk and Locadia as high profile signings in terms of fee's paid at the time and they both were flops really. If they were to lose two key players next year and they are then replaced with 2 flops then suddenly they could be struggling. It's near impossible to get it right 100% of the time of course, or even 75% of the time.
We've seen it happen with quite a few clubs in the past although I'd have to say that Brighton are on a level above Southampton/Swansea. I think people expect their success to be linear but the first thing they have to do is establish themselves as a team that can handle the strain of 2 games a week which they haven't even started yet. Once they can do that for 2-3 seasons then they can look to kick on to the next step. IMO a decent cup run and a european spot (7-8th) would be a good season. I don't subscribe to the notion that they need to improve on last years league position for their season to be considered a success.
That's always the most difficult thing for these clubs outside of the top 6.
Yeah go back a decade and Swansea were winning the league cup playing stylish football with Michu running riot. Southampton of course were probably most similar to Brighton are now, finding excellent players like Mane for low fees and playing fearless football under a highly rated young coach.
I think problem for those two clubs is they had takeovers and so change of direction meant endless errors with transfers and managerial appointments and then for mid tier clubs it dosen't take that many seasons to get relegated.
With the current structure Brighton are very well set though. Do wonder what Bloom would sell them for, pretty sure he's a lifelong fan so it would be a huge amount. Todd Boehly's probably had a crack already I'm sure.
De Zerbi has to be a target for one of the Milan clubs or Juventus you'd think sooner or later.
Brighton I'm sure will have already identified his replacement or at least have a 2-3 man shortlist so they will have a plan compared to so many clubs who don't and then make rash decisions and waste seasons.
Relative to resources they are of course doing absurdly well. In that sense the hype is deserved. But they have not proven themselves yet as a top team in the PL (never mind top club), in their current incarnation. They finished 6th last season, after all. Like United in that awful 21/22 season. They're good enough to be a handful for anyone on a given day, but they do not so far have the consistency it takes to be a top 4 team. That requires long streaks of dropping few to no points, including on days you're not playing well, and for defeats to weaker teams to be something rare - for them it still happens rather more frequently than that, going back to last season.
So many elitist posts in here, it’s quite funny tbh. Brighton should be a club the rest of the league look up to, it’s as simple as that. People talking about silverware and shot, I honestly wonder the thought process they have. We have 3 domestic competitions of course the wealthier clubs will win most of them. Brighton aren’t a wealthy or BIG club but they are competing, astonishing how well they have coped year after year. If you don’t get that your simply not a *football* fan, your just a *club fan* and yes there is a massive difference.
I think you hit the nail on the head here, changes in ownership can be really detrimental to clubs, luckily you're right in that Bloom is a lifelong fan, I would be very surprised if he ever sold up and if he did I would imagine he'll have a succession plan for himself as he does with every other aspect of the club.Yeah go back a decade and Swansea were winning the league cup playing stylish football with Michu running riot. Southampton of course were probably most similar to Brighton are now, finding excellent players like Mane for low fees and playing fearless football under a highly rated young coach.
I think problem for those two clubs is they had takeovers and so change of direction meant endless errors with transfers and managerial appointments and then for mid tier clubs it dosen't take that many seasons to get relegated.
With the current structure Brighton are very well set though. Do wonder what Bloom would sell them for, pretty sure he's a lifelong fan so it would be a huge amount. Todd Boehly's probably had a crack already I'm sure.
We may not hit the heights of the Caicedo sale every time, but this growth does seem sustainable at the moment even with the misses, as others have mentioned, like Locadia, Andone, Jahanbakhsh, Suttner etc.
AEK Athens have beaten football
It’s got feck all to do with being elitist. People are reacting to the hyperbole of them ‘beating‘ football.
They have beaten football indeed: they somehow manage to score 2-3 goals with their first 3 shoots on target.
Play Man United off the park at Old Trafford one game, get done by the third best team in Greece featuring Everton legend Djibril Sidibe the next.
Football is just a pretty dumb sport and we should really stop talking about it.
Football is just a pretty dumb sport and we should really stop talking about it.
how have they beat foorball? They like us are just surviving and playing good football, they aren’t gonna win anything? I don’t think we will either, but if u mean not overspending, Tottoenham are the same, season after season for 2 decades we are pretty much net spend, Levy/ENIC don’t flood us with coin, never have abs never will. They litterally bout us for I think £20m invested I think £50m over 20 years.
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They haven't. That's why this thread (look at the title) has generated some mocking.
Tbf aek are the current Greek champions and cup winners.Play Man United off the park at Old Trafford one game, get done by the third best team in Greece featuring Everton legend Djibril Sidibe the next.
Football is just a pretty dumb sport and we should really stop talking about it.
Brighton fans quiet today.
Honestly now I’m tripping hard, or I’m really confused, I miss LSD.
Won feck all but beat football. Let's see how these do when they get to play more than 1 game per week.
Well of course you have. Anyone who can't appreciate the Brighton story is a cnut. Any Brighton fan that's been around the last 20 years, this is a pay off that not many get. Lap it up. Just stop fecking doing us.
They needed that little reality check.
Play Man United off the park at Old Trafford one game, get done by the third best team in Greece featuring Everton legend Djibril Sidibe the next.
Football is just a pretty dumb sport and we should really stop talking about it.
agreed!
They don't seem capable of producing two good results in a week under De Zerbi, which isn't a good trait to have when playing European football.
Last season beat United 1-0 to then a few days later lost 5-1 at home to Everton managed by Lampard. They also beat Arsenal 3-0 away and few days later Newcastle hammered them.
Last season beat United 1-0 to then a few days later lost 5-1 at home to Everton managed by Lampard. They also beat Arsenal 3-0 away and few days later Newcastle hammered them.
Football Gods were Greek tonight.
Might be wise to read the thread before replying.
Did Brighton BEAT AEK Athens?
A kung fu master once said: Sometimes you beat football, sometimes football BEATS YOU!
Mocking a club like Brighton in their first European game (I think it's their first, doesn't matter if it isn't not the point here) really shows how far United have fallen.
Hipsters gonna hips