Of course, you are not going to think it is supportive if you fold and feck off with the rest of the entitled lot moaning outside the ground. You cede any right to criticise the players and manager for any perceived lack of effort, when you cannot even stay in Old Trafford for the 90. A home thrashing is a great way to filter out the crowd and get the most committed fans only remaining to still sing at the end. I'm not sure I want to be singing it in those circumstances again, but that was the most passionate Manchester United Calypso of the season as we approached full-time.
How would the players and fans react tomorrow if the board backs Ole?
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I don't think anybody could complain. I don't think even Ole would.
Exactly how I feel. There’s no emotion anymore. I’m not going to blindly support this cause out of loyalty.
Nah you sack today and get a caretaker in while we plan for a new manager.
If you give Ole more time he will go on an okay run and they won't sack him.
In which case, the problem is with those hiring and firing the manager, so why would you trust them to get the appointment right anyway? That's a fallacy if I ever saw one.
OK, I think I mis-understood your opening post, I thought you were attacking match going fans for not behaving how you think they should.
The fans queueing up for autographs may seem weird to most supporters. The vast majority are usually day trippers and tourists. It might seem weird to want a selfie after watching United suffer their most embarrassing loss in years, but ironically these people being a more common sight on match days is due to the global branding stuff you were talking about in your post. I'm not saying it's wrong or right, it is what it is and like you said, it's a big reason why we're able to generate enough money to chuck at players every summer.
However... I think its missing the point to look at a dad taking his kid to get an autograph from Ole after his first trip to OT and say "this is why we tolerate mediocrity".
For the record I don't think fans who attend matches are the only ones who get to have an opinion. Every fan is free to have an opinion and express it however they choose. What I am saying though, is that match going fans have just as much right to support their team in whatever way they choose, and its rich to hear their choices getting criticised by the most reactionary elements of social media who haven't been to Old Trafford in their lives.
So if fans queue up he should've ran instead and not signing autographs?
What would that video be like?
" Ole doesn't want to sign autographs, kids cry outside Old Trafford "
He can't really do anything right in some eyes on here.
Pathetic
That sense of entitlement because one is a legend is disgusting. He has had 3 years now; THIS is a major regression and it is clear that his decisions have led to major disgruntlement in the dressing room. Deserving respect as a legendary player and deserving respect as a manager are separate things.
While being a Man Utd fan, I also keep my eyes peeled elsewhere. I tell you this: it is no different from how things panned out under Rafa Benitez at Real Madrid. We are winless in a month in the Premier League; there is just no way back for Ole. You can either cut him loose and try to salvage something, or you keep Ole and then flip the coin while hoping for luck. That is now how successful businesses perform; anyone hindering to the path to success of a company gets axed unceremoniously before problems get even more difficult to solve.
Most match going fans will support the manager as they have always done regardless of what they think privately or post on social media. The boos were aimed at the performance not at the manager at half-time and I did't hear any boos at full-time.
Even in the most direst of situations when you have people wanting the manager out...it's the minority who protest with banners, placards etc.
Here in England the vast majority of match going fans stay pretty loyal...so not sure I agree with any of this.
If things deteriorated further then it could change of course.
Players hiding under the backroom staff's soft-ness and incompetency will be worried about their future.
Apathy and just go through the motions waiting for the inevitable. Club will be trying to work out what to do, Ole staying for a few more games is definitely a possibility.
True enough, but being a matchgoing fan does give you the right to support the club how you choose when you're in the stadium, without having to justify your choice to someone behind an avatar on the other side of the world on Twitter because you aren't throwing pigs heads or leading 'Ole out' chants all game.
The protests has to start again. They were very effective last time. The owners, board, Woodward and Ole are horrible, and the club is broken from top to toe.
Then there'll be nothing for it other than sit down in front of the telly next Saturday stoically expecting another disaster, and hoping against hope that there's a fix. Not that it'll be much different if a caretaker is in place by then. We're in a deep hole, and it's going to take some serious shit to get us out of it, no matter who's doing it.
I mean, it’s fair to disagree as my post was opinion based but we have been booed 2 games in a row at HT and thousands left at HT yesterday. That’s unarguable. There’s definitely the sense that the majority are no longer with him. You don’t get booed in consecutive home games if the crowd is on your side.
For the record I am from England and my family is made up of matchgoing United fans having being a semi-regular attender myself over the years, so I do understand there’s a big culture around supporting the manager and loyalty, but it hasn’t felt like that at all this season. A 5-0 loss at home to our biggest rivals is enough to switch anyone off if we’re brutally honest and I foresee it only getting worse from here.
Well, the thing is though, how could it possibly deteriorate any further? The biggest home loss of the premier league era, the biggest loss to Liverpool since, what, the 1930s, a total, complete, defensive shambles, confidence levels through the basement floor. And a performance to more than match the result. For the 8th straight time. Currently we are not merely a poor team, we are a non-functioning team. Playing like this, we must expect to lose to anyone. There is an immediate and urgent need for major improvement within the next 6 days. And given Ole has been faced with the same issues for at least the last 8 games or so, and has not only failed to solve them but in fact overseen their steady deterioration without attempting any major adjustments to our approach.....why would he fix this now? Sorry, I've been staunchly supportive of the process and his performance since the beginning, arguing that as long as the trajectory was positive and the results good he deserved the chance to take it to the next level, but it is simply becoming obvious that he's not going to.
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Everyone is allowed to have a view mate, whether they're a season ticket holder or not.
I understand your frustration and I can't admit that over the past few years I haven't at times also caught myself wishing that our fans would be a bit more militant so that we could turn the heat up on the owners. After the match Andy Mitten described the support as 'loyal, probably to a fault'.
Ultimately you could probably write a book about why we're like this and whether it's a good thing. Some combination of our fan culture, the Glazer takeover and fans opposition being ignored, the average makeup of OT being older, affluent families, etc.
I'm torn on whether I want our fans to be more militant though... meekly accepting results like yesterday and earning a moral victory for outsinging Liverpool even when we're 5-0 is cold comfort when what's going on the pitch is so awful, and I hate that the loyalty of our supporters is used as a shield by our exploitative owners, but at the same time... I would hate for us to lose the identity and culture of our fanbase and become the sort of club that will get on the backs of every player or manager as soon as things aren't going well. Obviously there's a middle ground... I guess what I'm saying is that as much as I understand your frustration with elements of our own support, some of those same elements are probably what makes it the envy of the world.
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Am I meant to show him this & tell him he should be ashamed of himself?
What value is that?
"Utd stick with incompetent people no matter what!"
or maybe
"Good ole boys rule!"
If the board doesn't have a replacement lined up, then there's more incompetent people to fire.
Pogba and Ronaldo are part of the problem. The Glazers want them to sell shirts. Impossible to play high press with them. They would not be picked by Klop or Pep.
I think Ole has got enough chances, but I cant see us getting a new manager that can win us the title. The owners are the problem.
Values of respect, loyalty, recognising the traditions of the club and those who try to maintain them. Also long term, sustainable management structures - not reactive, superficial changes that last a year or two and require constant change to compete. Like I said, we're not Chelsea. We don't have a brutal Russian oligarch making all the decisions and frankly, as bad as our owners are, I am glad about that.
God what a question! 
I'd get behind him ..........................................and shove him off a cliff.
Just kidding i'd get behind him and hope he can get things right but only because he's Ole.
I'd get behind him ..........................................and shove him off a cliff.
Just kidding i'd get behind him and hope he can get things right but only because he's Ole.
Tweet is from 10:58 this morning? Since then, there been numerous reports from the likes of Fabrizio Romano, Jamie Jackson etc that his position is under review.
As far as I'm concerned, there's no indication beyond sheer rumours (easiest thing in the world to publish at this point, for any "journalist") that he's actually lost the dressing room.
Oh. Does this tradition only apply to mgmt? Cause we've been in a frenzy of buying & selling players.
TBF it's easy clickbait for them after we got rinsed by pool. We'll just have to wait and see.
The likes of Jackson has close sources at the club and wouldn’t just post shite unless he has heard something.
Also, the club would have came out already and squashed these reports if what is being reported is a pile of attention seeking clickbait.
Get a hold of 80.000 Buzz joysticks and install them at OT.
Blue - Ole stays
Orange - Ten Hag
Green - Zidane
Yellow - Conte
And let the ticket holders decide.
Blue - Ole stays
Orange - Ten Hag
Green - Zidane
Yellow - Conte
And let the ticket holders decide.
It is not just the manager, there is a question of his coaching staff, who are also part of the greater problem. Bring in a new manager but if you keep the present coaching staff the problems as I see it will remain. I cannot see any manager taking up the position with the present coaching staff in place. I think the Glaziers being business men will look at the cost of severances packages aginst staying as we are.
No. It only applies to the management the masses like. I’ve never seen the ‘traditions of the club’ spoken about as much as now OgS is facing the end.
OgS managing us is not for the betterment of the club but a certain section of the fanbase want to wear this period as some form of martyrdom.
Even moreso, such behavior is apparently the reason why Barcelona will win the CL before we do.
Makes sense why the CL in recent years has gone to clubs who have ultras that accost their managers after games. Red Star Belgrade is on 9 big ears as we speak.
Im a match going fan, my farther took me from being 9yo in 1995 and I’ve had a season ticket since turning 18. I will never boo my own team, never boo the manager. It’s not my job to hire and fire managers/players. My part is to support the team. That is what I do and always will. I don’t accept mediocrity and don’t think Ole is at the level required to take us forward but I will never turn on him or the team. That’s for the board/owners to sort. If anything during times like this the players and management need our support more than ever. I know this may not be agreed by all but that’s how I am. I support the team not tear strips off them every time things don’t go well
not surprised....they can ggf too - inept clowns
You literally just called the team mediocre and said Ole wasn't good enough. How is that supporting the team? How is that not turning on the team? You think your shit don't stink? It does.
Top Reds are really confused these days. Their spiritual leader Gary Neville apparently now just lies in a darkened room all days tweeting random noise. Must be difficult to think something and be unable to say it.
Big portion of the fans have United way embedded deep inside them. Its not the United way to turn against the manager, you need to support anyone who is the manager. Its naive and traditional. I dont mean we should abaddon the values this club has but it needs to be run more efficiently, more ruthlessly, with less emotion and nostalgia involved in order to justify the motto (which is also a part of United way): youth, courage and success.
What I've read if it's true or Bollocks, is SAF has had a word and told them to give him a few more games?
Now that's all conjecture, imo I think he's got SAT, the Atalanta game away as long as we don't lose over there , 3 pts at home to Young boys we Qualify the group. Then they see if City spank us or lessons not learned he's out. The only defence I got for Ole is the players haven't helped by making glaring errors now that's not his fault.
But the Errors on Sunday were looking like they didn't know what shape to play, and that's Oles fault.
Now that's all conjecture, imo I think he's got SAT, the Atalanta game away as long as we don't lose over there , 3 pts at home to Young boys we Qualify the group. Then they see if City spank us or lessons not learned he's out. The only defence I got for Ole is the players haven't helped by making glaring errors now that's not his fault.
But the Errors on Sunday were looking like they didn't know what shape to play, and that's Oles fault.
Absolute cretins bashing kids for getting an autograph from a United legend. Even more disgusting applauding the abuse on Koeman. Pure gowlism.
I love Ole, but it's over. Obviously anything disparaging towards him is criminal as a United fan.
If he is managing a week from now, I will still support the team but we will know the leadership will probably doom us for the next decade.
If he is managing a week from now, I will still support the team but we will know the leadership will probably doom us for the next decade.