ICE are the 21st century Gestapo
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Absolutely disgusting 
From day one of his Presidency, they've been emboldened by Trump.
They had to be cnuts to begin with.
Things are worse under Trump no doubt. But they were horrible under Obama too. The whole agency needs to be disbanded.
Yeah, this sort of stuff is quite genuinely despicable. Believe there was a story recently of a father who ended up taking his own life after being separated from his own kids.
Stil, Gestapo is a bit too strong a word for it. It's not helpful to use such odd comparisons.
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If ever the phrase, "this is exactly how Nazi Germany started" was applicable...
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Never seen anything like that, anywhere. Americans need to take drastic action, the country is spiralling out of control. Wtf is that shit?
Always knew those civils were up to something
The people answering his questions were a lot more civil than I would have been.
I would have answered no. What then?
Jeez
Jeez
I know comparisons with nazis are not called for, but in a (very) minor way it shows how people can be absolute shits to other human beings when they have the law on their side. Any decent person would refuse to take children away from their mothers.
It’s not that minor tbh. Hitler didnt start out with building camps either. Step by step though..
Not saying it will go that far but still. Similarity is wuite clear.
Minor when compared to nazis.
It's dangerous to normalize these things. Americans have to stop it early on.
If I was a US citizen I think my answer might've been "Yes I am but right now I'm thinking about changing that"
I'm also trying to imagine that sort of thing happening in the UK:
Q. Are you a UK citizen?
A. Get fecked
Orwellian and highly disturbing
I'm also trying to imagine that sort of thing happening in the UK:
Q. Are you a UK citizen?
A. Get fecked
Orwellian and highly disturbing
Do the states not financially penalise employers for employing undocumented workers?
He did, the first ones (Dachau among them) were set up in early 1933. What I heard about ICE is very bad, but it's really not a good idea to evoke National Socialism as a comparison. It's more appropriate to see it as an example of the brutality democratic states are capable of, although I agree that the general development which eventually gave rise to Trump points to a rather widespread craving for something worse.
What the actual feck, America? This is going to be a permanent damage to the international image of the country, and endless ammunition for all dictators and opponents of democracy worldwide.
As a country, we certainly have embarrassed ourselves before now, at times massively, but the frequency with which we are doing it currently is shocking.
Isn't it legal in the UK for law enforcement to ask where somebody is from? It must at least be the case at airports, as I saw it on one of those shows following professionals around doing their jobs. I'm sure there could easily be differences, but I was really surprised to learn they could even do that, as well as stop anybody carrying more than £3000, which seems like too low a number to be harassing people over.
That said, the way in which America is going about it does have Handmaid's Tale feel to it - the country's entering a spiral into a dangerous political situation and everybody looks like they're caught in the headlights.
That said, the way in which America is going about it does have Handmaid's Tale feel to it - the country's entering a spiral into a dangerous political situation and everybody looks like they're caught in the headlights.
If you're stopped by a policeman here you'd generally be asked your name, what you're doing in the area and where you are going. They regularly get told to keep their noses out of it. You don't have to answer and they don't have the power to arrest you just for that and only if they suspect you of something.
As for carrying cash I don't believe there is a limit, and certainly not £3k, so theoretically you could wheelbarrow thousands up and down the street if you wanted. It might be reasonable of them though to ask you where the cash is from and what you're doing with it but it's not illegal.
On the first point, the examples I've seen aren't much better than in the video above. They British police were walking around asking "where are you from?" and stopped people they suspected of being illegal immigrants. Americans might be flabbergasted by a few agents asking people such questions, but something like that is also happening in the UK. There might be some nuance to it that I'm not getting e.g. it might only be allowable at airports, although it was certainly a surprise to see they have that kind of power.
About the cash thing, this, again, was something related to travelling. The police didn't have the right to detain the person for carrying the £3000, but they did have the right to hold on to it and let the traveler decide if they wanted to stay and contest the decision or catch their flight. This isn't related to the law about declaring if you're carrying 10,000. Nope, they can literally stop anybody for carrying that amount (could be 4000, but I'm reasonably positive it's 3000) and even have dogs trained to sniff for money.
Same. We coulda pulled a modern day “I am Spartacus”.
Anyone know a good Gestapo doc?
Trouble with the knee again?
Compared to the 1940s Nazis yes this is minor. But its eerily and terrifyingly similar to 1920s Nazis
Could be an airport related thing as I've never encountered this in 50 years but the point remains. They can ask you stuff but have no power to demand an answer and can only detain you for good reason ie a crime has been committed. I'm not sure on the law re travelling with cash but walking around in the street you can carry as much as you can physically summon the strength to.
We need a UK copper to verify.
There is literally a tv show of them doing it in the uk. Border patrol uk or some shit it's called. One episode I saw was just them going up to black people at train stations and asking them for papers. It showed them catching several illegal immigrants from Africa.
I was a bit baffled by it as they were just seemingly randomly targeting black people and not like they were following tips.
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I've seen a tonne of people on Social Media saying that "this is how Nazi Germany started" and "we need to act now because we know where this can lead to if we don't stop it" over the last week or two.
For me, it's counter productive having that attitude. It pushes the idea that what is currently happening is only bad because it's a precursor to something a lot worse. That is an absolutely terrible stance to take. What is currently happening is absolutely abhorrent and it needs to be stopped immediately and those writing the legislation that is not only allowing it to happen but also encouraging it to happen need to be pulled up in front of the Supreme Court and the United Nations Human Rights Council to answer for their actions.
If this was happening in Syria, Iran or Somalia, there would be an investigation and international outcry. It's disgusting.
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Don't people use common sense anymore? You go and comfort that girl, end of story. Prohibited? WTactual feck?
Again, though, we could easily be talking about a different set of rules when it comes to airports, because the impression I got is that the people stopped needed to comply and provide their details, as did the people carrying the money.
I'm guessing the laws are probably specific to that situation, but they're still a bit too invasive for my liking.