They have flaws in abundance, but this time round, they have supplied a capable manager with a squad that can challenge for everything. The blame that can be apportioned to them right now is having no contingency in place for this eventuality and not making a decision that could at least attempt to salvage the season, and if they could connect the dots, make them a hell of a lot more money in doing so.
'If this continues I'm done with United for the season!' Really?
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a new manager will help short term but medium to longer term we'll have the same problems. We need a holistic approach, for me it's quite simple. We're playing catch up to a few clubs...clubs with more finances than us.
I'd think change can come about in two ways: from the top down, or from the bottom up. By bottom up, meaning the right man comes in and manages the team, achieves some success, which in turn makes them more money. They latch on to the correlation between deep runs in the CL or even winning that trophy or the PL and relinquish more power to said man to run the ship as he sees fit, which forces change at DoF and delegation of duties pertaining to how the footballing side of things work.
Not a Ferguson, but a Klopp or the sort that makes the team self-sufficient and not in need of constant investment because the talent is developed and nurtured and only needs topping up every 18 months or so.
The other way round, with them having a clue, we might as well give up hope as I'm certain the brains of the operation died when the father was buried.
We can be doing far, far better than we currently are, however, the squad is capable on all fronts and that cannot be overlooked; the first point of address, even.
This is the same for me. I have missed a couple of games this season being away, and would usually try and watch the game where I am. I haven't lately though.
I will watch games later. I am sick of putting myself through an emotional wringer for a club that is showing it does not care about its fans. I am sure it is pay back for the demonstrations last season. They paid slight lip service to fans worries and have then shown their true colours.
I will look at the final score at the end of the matches, if they win they win if they loose they loose doesn't effect me anymore.
No, I'm not done with the season. However, I used to watch every game with my sons whether at OT or on TV. It used to become a really nice father and sons event, we would discuss possible team line ups, predict scores and first goal scorer and watch every minute of the game with each other. This has happened since the kids were 5 & 6, now they are 9 & 10 but this season most evening games they have decided to go to bed by half time bored out of their minds and I can't blame them and now it's a point where I am trying to talk them in to watching a United game rather than them be exited by it!
If there is no significant change at the board level that puts us on a healthier path and Brendan Rodgers rolls in to the club I think I will turn my attention to another sport.
Anyone at Manchester United who doesn't kick a ball for a living has their head in the clouds. They've had the luxury of living in a haze of nostalgia certain that the good times are around the corner, it'll click because this is Manchester United and it happened before. It's a farce at this point.
Anyone at Manchester United who doesn't kick a ball for a living has their head in the clouds. They've had the luxury of living in a haze of nostalgia certain that the good times are around the corner, it'll click because this is Manchester United and it happened before. It's a farce at this point.
I'll never stop watching the team no matter how bad it gets, isnt that what what fan should do? But I will say that i have started to care less and become more emotionless to the results on the pitch. Saturday was a case in point. In the old days a defeat in a derby on the early Saturday kick off would ruin my whole weekend. Now I just shrug and get on with life.
Long but great post. Exactly how I feel too.
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ESL or Saudi Ownership other than that I'll keep schlepping up to Manchester to take my seat in the ground and complain to all the lads around us like usual
ESL or Saudi Ownership other than that I'll keep schlepping up to Manchester to take my seat in the ground and complain to all the lads around us like usual
But this is not true. We have the highest net spent since Ole is here. We have the highest wage bill in the sports.
And shockingly, we have the highest net spent in the last 10 years, just above City. It is higher than Chelsea’s and Liverpool’s combined.
The excuse that we are competing against clubs with more resources that us, at this stage is just an excuse. It is completely false.
Even by RedCafe standards this has to be one of the melodramatic threads in history.
We are a mess but we are 6th and won 3-0 at Spurs a week or so ago
Hardly Oldham FC is it.
We are a mess but we are 6th and won 3-0 at Spurs a week or so ago
Hardly Oldham FC is it.
Don't worry man! When man utd wins something, you will come back, glory hunter!
There’s a massive divide within the fan base between those who are just happy to go to the games with their mates and sing songs and support the club regardless and those who actually want to win and be the “biggest club in the world” as is so often peddled. If you want to win standards need to be met. That means when they aren’t it has to be called out.Even by RedCafe standards this has to be one of the melodramatic threads in history.
We are a mess but we are 6th and won 3-0 at Spurs a week or so ago
Hardly Oldham FC is it.
The bloke that has gone through "16 years of hell" takes the cake.Even by RedCafe standards this has to be one of the melodramatic threads in history.
We are a mess but we are 6th and won 3-0 at Spurs a week or so ago
Hardly Oldham FC is it.
What's not true? That the club doesn't need restructuring? The facilities don't need upgrading? We don't need more footballing men at the top? We've only just appointed data science folk when other clubs have been doing it for years. Liverpool's revenues are the same as ours now. Clearly the club is a mess from top to bottom.
And those passionate United fans should do something other than posting on forums like Redcafe...aiming their anger at match going fans. Get a ride to OT and start protesting. I'll help colouring in the placards.
Why do people like you take such a negative stance to those who want the best for the club?
They are all busy unfortunately.
Manchester (is not) United.
Because it is OGS in charge, our fan base is divided and split like I have never seen before.
It feels like a lot of our support who are playing it down would be yelling for the manager to get sacked if it was anyone else in charge.
Some, including myself, feel like club and fans are being neglected on a huge scale. It feels like we are being played. We do not feel heard.
It's no surprise that people are becoming sick of it when we know what Manchester United could and should be.
Because it is OGS in charge, our fan base is divided and split like I have never seen before.
It feels like a lot of our support who are playing it down would be yelling for the manager to get sacked if it was anyone else in charge.
Some, including myself, feel like club and fans are being neglected on a huge scale. It feels like we are being played. We do not feel heard.
It's no surprise that people are becoming sick of it when we know what Manchester United could and should be.
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I think he should be sacked. The vast majority of match goers do from what I can gather (I know you go yourself). That's not really the argument.
The mum's basement club. Create threads on a forum and hashtags on instagram and feel like they are the ones who care.
I find it to the contrary actually: posters going out of their way to either miss the point of what people are saying entirely who then persist in arguing against their own strawman, which they masterfully defeat each time, or displaying masterful selectivity when deciding to add their 2 pennies worth.Even by RedCafe standards this has to be one of the melodramatic threads in history.
We are a mess but we are 6th and won 3-0 at Spurs a week or so ago
Hardly Oldham FC is it.
Perhaps it can be termed dishonest reading:? Disingenuous deduction? Posting in bad faith?
The terminology can be coined at a later date, but it's a fascinating process to witness in itself.
What I can take from it is it's really easy to fracture a fanbase and have them fight amongst themselves whilst not even trying to look at a bigger picture.
The club's run poorly, simply riding on the coat tails of its former glory.
Ed Woodward is an incompetent sycophant who doesn't create value. His prior work experience as a douchey investment banker only taught him how to extract it.
There are many, myself included, who fell in love with United because of the winning, never-say-die mentality. Whenever I don't see those values on the pitch for an extended period of time, I mentally check-out. The number of visitors / visits to the caf should be a fairly accurate reflection of this trend.
Ed Woodward is an incompetent sycophant who doesn't create value. His prior work experience as a douchey investment banker only taught him how to extract it.
There are many, myself included, who fell in love with United because of the winning, never-say-die mentality. Whenever I don't see those values on the pitch for an extended period of time, I mentally check-out. The number of visitors / visits to the caf should be a fairly accurate reflection of this trend.
Soon will be with Ole at the wheel.Even by RedCafe standards this has to be one of the melodramatic threads in history.
We are a mess but we are 6th and won 3-0 at Spurs a week or so ago
Hardly Oldham FC is it.
Do you think someone saying they have gone through '16 years of hell' because of being a Manchester United supporter a valid sentiment? Those are the exact words posted in this thread.
Do you think that should be the takeaway from a thread that exceeds 350 posts? It can be if you want it to be, but in any reasonable consideration, you trim both extremes and look at the mean. That's if a person wants to, otherwise, there's an ulterior motive to honing in on any one post.
I find all the in-fighting and oneupmanship to be really pointless, especially so when there should be bigger things on the table to discuss. It genuinely feels like the rifts are growing now as well, which is a real shame.
No but the post you quoted was specifically referring to the outrageous content of the thread and not the sentiment of the thread. Both of them are mutually exclusive. Sure there's a lot of valid reason for discontent and also there's a load of fans on here right now behaving like their house was set on fire. Someone can be allowed to comment on the latter without tying it up with the former - or perhaps it was you who decided to do it when you replied.
Fair enough.
I am a match going fan who is having a difficult time dealing with what's happening at the club at the moment, and I've often thought 'feck it, I'm done with this club' - the reality is I'm not, but I'm just very frustrated.
The reason I often feel like this is for many reasons, but ultimately it's because:
- I have absolutely no faith in our club to do the right thing. By the right thing, I mean do things for footballing reasons, to be the best on the pitch.
- I have zero trust in our ownership and senior management.
- I feel like the club is being neglected. We are not where we should be as a club and a lot of that is down to pure negligence.
- I feel like they do not give a sh*t about fans.
Every team will have difficult moments and it's not realistic to expect to win all the time. However, we have seen this kind of sh*t for the best part of a decade and it feels like the club is simply incapable of learning from its mistakes.
This is not about saying 1 set of supporters is better than the other, but in my opinion a lot of those fans who are writing off the season, not going to games or following the club at this time have made a conscious effort not to do so because they care about the club so much and it hurts.
It might sound like hyperbole, but we are heavily invested in the club. This is not like following any other business. However, the ultimate reality is that we are a business first, and a football club second. I didn't fall in love with this club because of our balance sheet, I fell in love with the club because of our football and what we stood for.
Not really, the intention is clear and apparent - thread stated in blanket terms: a pointless derision to invalidate the entirety of what people air as their concerns or reasons for their current stance.
As I said, you chop off both sides of the extreme, and analyse from there, if you want to, and if you don't, then that's where whatever intention a post is made in will reveal itself.
So you are basically happy to look at things from your eyes, and not what's exactly written. If you want people to concentrate on the real issue, maybe first work on removing the extreme content which is causing the confusion. There is no clear and apparent intention, only what aligns with your own. That applies to everyone. Short answer - if a thread's gonna have people post bollocks, it's gonna have people have a laugh at that, which has nothing to do with them disregarding the 'clear and apparent' intention of the thread.
And for what's it's worth, you are not gonna achieve any sort of alignment by constantly drawing conclusions on people's intentions without actually clarifying their exact stance so yeah, part of the problem.
That there are clubs with more resources than us. We have been outspending everyone, including the oil clubs (in case of Chelsea, significantly so).
I totally agree with your other points though. Sacking Ole and getting a good manager would be a step in the right direction, but just a tiny step. Even more important is to have competent people on the board (CEO, DoF etc), which we have been refusing to do for a very long time. People who are proven in the modern football.
The Glazers have one primary concern, and that's to maximise their profits from the club.
I'm not sure a like for like comparison between the fans and the Glazers reaction to a poor result is one worthy of consideration?
I'm happy to take each post as a single entity. 'Exactly what's written' by a single person - not a monolith - is simply one post amongst many. Something that would be taken on board and moved on from, if the intention was not to demean the entire thread's input outside of a single post.
If that's the takeaway from hundreds of posts, a person is not in the thread for any other reason but to be dismissive.
I have mentally checked out from giving a shit until Ole is sacked. Until that happens there is no hope of improvement. I'll still watch the games, but there will be minimal excitement or enthusiasm from me in doing so.
I was so angry after the Liverpool match, but for the City one I watched with a sense of cold detachment. Didn't let the embarrassing performance and result affect the rest of my weekend.
That is how it affects me anyway - I just switch off from it mentally.
I was so angry after the Liverpool match, but for the City one I watched with a sense of cold detachment. Didn't let the embarrassing performance and result affect the rest of my weekend.
That is how it affects me anyway - I just switch off from it mentally.
And where exactly did the poster that you quoted explicitly say that their entire takeaway from this thread was what you concluded that it was?
The manager does need replacing that's not even debatable. Save two or three fans on here the rest want a new man in charge. The question should be why have to the owners let the club stagnate? Barca are up schitt's creek.. yet they can see the value of completely renovating the Camp Nou for example, it will cost a billion quid and yield €200m annually. Whereas we've let OT rot. I don't understand our thought process...we've flatlined in terms of revenue. In future to keep up with City, Chelsea, and Newcastle or any other club funded by a state, we've got to be a head of the game in other aspects.
Just to clear that up it's due to the leeching parasites I made that comment not about the current state of the teamThe bloke that has gone through "16 years of hell" takes the cake.