Šjor Bepo
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Manager | Round 1 | Round 2 | Round 3 | Round 4 | Round 5 | Round 6 | Round 7 | Round 8 | Round 9 | Round 10 | Round 11 | Round 12 | Round 13 |
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mufc/Theon | L. Messi | G. Scirea | R. Keane | A. Cole | M. Amoros | D. Godín | P. Breitner | J. Joya | M. Preud'homme | W. Lubański | Zito | ||
Sjor | Pelé | A. Iniesta | B. Robson | P. Lahm | N. Kanté | A. Spencer | T. Gemmell | M. Belodedici | I. Viktor | I. Chislenko | P. Maldini | ||
Jim/pnut | Eusébio | P.R. Falcão | J. Zanetti | N. Hidegkuti | H. Stoichkov | P. Scholes | C. Ferrara | J. Camacho | R. Hellström | F. Rijkaard | |||
Fortitude | D. Maradona | M. van Basten | J. Kohler | R. Ferdinand | T. Cerezo | L. Modrić | F. Bene | J. Oblak | F. Jusufi | K. Mbappé | S. Jardine | G. Facchetti | |
Enigma | C. Ronaldo | A. Nesta | G. Souness | J. Neeskens | B. Lizarazu | R. Rivellino | G. Batistuta | P. Čech | V. Kompany | V. Ivanov | D. Džajić | ||
Pat | Zico | J. Cruyff | A. Demyanenko | P. McGrath | U. Seeler | L. Yashin | R. Bratseth | F. Redondo | Alex.-Arnold | C. Azpilicueta | P. van Himst | M. Tardelli | E. Figueroa |
Gio | G. Best | F. Puskás | J. Tigana | R. Gullit | D. Passarella | N. Santos | L. Riva | R. Dasayev | T. Ravelli | B. Wright | F. Beckenbauer | ||
Raees | F. Baresi | G. Müller | L. Figo | D. Santos | Z. Boniek | S. Marzolini | F. Albert | J.L. Chilavert | S. Pluskal | B. Moore |
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mufc/Theon | L. Messi | G. Scirea | R. Keane | A. Cole | M. Amoros | D. Godín | P. Breitner | J. Joya | M. Preud'homme | W. Lubański | Zito | V. Voronin | |
Sjor | Pelé | A. Iniesta | B. Robson | P. Lahm | N. Kanté | A. Spencer | T. Gemmell | M. Belodedici | I. Viktor | I. Chislenko | P. Maldini | ||
Jim/pnut | Eusébio | P.R. Falcão | J. Zanetti | N. Hidegkuti | H. Stoichkov | P. Scholes | C. Ferrara | J. Camacho | R. Hellström | F. Rijkaard | |||
Fortitude | D. Maradona | M. van Basten | J. Kohler | R. Ferdinand | T. Cerezo | L. Modrić | F. Bene | J. Oblak | F. Jusufi | K. Mbappé | S. Jardine | G. Facchetti | |
Enigma | C. Ronaldo | A. Nesta | G. Souness | J. Neeskens | B. Lizarazu | R. Rivellino | G. Batistuta | P. Čech | V. Kompany | V. Ivanov | D. Džajić | ||
Pat | Zico | J. Cruyff | A. Demyanenko | P. McGrath | U. Seeler | L. Yashin | R. Bratseth | F. Redondo | Alex.-Arnold | C. Azpilicueta | P. van Himst | M. Tardelli | E. Figueroa |
Gio | G. Best | F. Puskás | J. Tigana | R. Gullit | D. Passarella | N. Santos | L. Riva | R. Dasayev | T. Ravelli | B. Wright | F. Beckenbauer | ||
Raees | F. Baresi | G. Müller | L. Figo | D. Santos | Z. Boniek | S. Marzolini | F. Albert | J.L. Chilavert | S. Pluskal | B. Moore |
Manager | Round 1 | Round 2 | Round 3 | Round 4 | Round 5 | Round 6 | Round 7 | Round 8 | Round 9 | Round 10 | Round 11 | Round 12 | Round 13 | Round 14 |
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mufc/Theon | L. Messi | G. Scirea | R. Keane | A. Cole | M. Amoros | D. Godín | P. Breitner | J. Joya | M. Preud'homme | W. Lubański | Zito | V. Voronin | O. Blokhin | |
Sjor | Pelé | A. Iniesta | B. Robson | P. Lahm | N. Kanté | A. Spencer | T. Gemmell | M. Belodedici | I. Viktor | I. Chislenko | P. Maldini | |||
Jim/pnut | Eusébio | P.R. Falcão | J. Zanetti | N. Hidegkuti | H. Stoichkov | P. Scholes | C. Ferrara | J. Camacho | R. Hellström | F. Rijkaard | ||||
Fortitude | D. Maradona | M. van Basten | J. Kohler | R. Ferdinand | T. Cerezo | L. Modrić | F. Bene | J. Oblak | F. Jusufi | K. Mbappé | S. Jardine | G. Facchetti | ||
Enigma | C. Ronaldo | A. Nesta | G. Souness | J. Neeskens | B. Lizarazu | R. Rivellino | G. Batistuta | P. Čech | V. Kompany | V. Ivanov | D. Džajić | |||
Pat | Zico | J. Cruyff | A. Demyanenko | P. McGrath | U. Seeler | L. Yashin | R. Bratseth | F. Redondo | Alex.-Arnold | C. Azpilicueta | P. van Himst | M. Tardelli | E. Figueroa | |
Gio | G. Best | F. Puskás | J. Tigana | R. Gullit | D. Passarella | N. Santos | L. Riva | R. Dasayev | T. Ravelli | B. Wright | F. Beckenbauer | |||
Raees | F. Baresi | G. Müller | L. Figo | D. Santos | Z. Boniek | S. Marzolini | F. Albert | J.L. Chilavert | S. Pluskal | B. Moore |
no worries.Thanks @Enigma_87
Manager | Round 1 | Round 2 | Round 3 | Round 4 | Round 5 | Round 6 | Round 7 | Round 8 | Round 9 | Round 10 | Round 11 | Round 12 | Round 13 | Round 14 |
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mufc/Theon | L. Messi | G. Scirea | R. Keane | A. Cole | M. Amoros | D. Godín | P. Breitner | J. Joya | M. Preud'homme | W. Lubański | Zito | V. Voronin | O. Blokhin | |
Sjor | Pelé | A. Iniesta | B. Robson | P. Lahm | N. Kanté | A. Spencer | T. Gemmell | M. Belodedici | I. Viktor | I. Chislenko | P. Maldini | A. Di Stefano | ||
Jim/pnut | Eusébio | P.R. Falcão | J. Zanetti | N. Hidegkuti | H. Stoichkov | P. Scholes | C. Ferrara | J. Camacho | R. Hellström | F. Rijkaard | ||||
Fortitude | D. Maradona | M. van Basten | J. Kohler | R. Ferdinand | T. Cerezo | L. Modrić | F. Bene | J. Oblak | F. Jusufi | K. Mbappé | S. Jardine | G. Facchetti | ||
Enigma | C. Ronaldo | A. Nesta | G. Souness | J. Neeskens | B. Lizarazu | R. Rivellino | G. Batistuta | P. Čech | V. Kompany | V. Ivanov | D. Džajić | |||
Pat | Zico | J. Cruyff | A. Demyanenko | P. McGrath | U. Seeler | L. Yashin | R. Bratseth | F. Redondo | Alex.-Arnold | C. Azpilicueta | P. van Himst | M. Tardelli | E. Figueroa | |
Gio | G. Best | F. Puskás | J. Tigana | R. Gullit | D. Passarella | N. Santos | L. Riva | R. Dasayev | T. Ravelli | B. Wright | F. Beckenbauer | |||
Raees | F. Baresi | G. Müller | L. Figo | D. Santos | Z. Boniek | S. Marzolini | F. Albert | J.L. Chilavert | S. Pluskal | B. Moore |
Might as well pack it in now.Ooft that's some serious upgrading @Šjor Bepo
cheers, though my heart bleeds as i really wanted ElkjaerOoft that's some serious upgrading @Šjor Bepo
right from bepo's top drawerLogic is to make it as tough as possible and to do what ever i can to stop GOAT fests without actually blocking anyone.
right from bepo's top drawer
Manager | Round 1 | Round 2 | Round 3 | Round 4 | Round 5 | Round 6 | Round 7 | Round 8 | Round 9 | Round 10 | Round 11 | Round 12 | Round 13 | Round 14 |
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mufc/Theon | L. Messi | G. Scirea | R. Keane | A. Cole | M. Amoros | D. Godín | P. Breitner | J. Joya | M. Preud'homme | W. Lubański | Zito | V. Voronin | O. Blokhin | |
Sjor | Pelé | A. Iniesta | B. Robson | P. Lahm | N. Kanté | A. Spencer | T. Gemmell | M. Belodedici | I. Viktor | I. Chislenko | P. Maldini | A. Di Stefano | ||
Jim/pnut | Eusébio | P.R. Falcão | J. Zanetti | N. Hidegkuti | H. Stoichkov | P. Scholes | C. Ferrara | J. Camacho | R. Hellström | F. Rijkaard | K.H. Förster | |||
Fortitude | D. Maradona | M. van Basten | J. Kohler | R. Ferdinand | T. Cerezo | L. Modrić | F. Bene | J. Oblak | F. Jusufi | K. Mbappé | S. Jardine | G. Facchetti | ||
Enigma | C. Ronaldo | A. Nesta | G. Souness | J. Neeskens | B. Lizarazu | R. Rivellino | G. Batistuta | P. Čech | V. Kompany | V. Ivanov | D. Džajić | |||
Pat | Zico | J. Cruyff | A. Demyanenko | P. McGrath | U. Seeler | L. Yashin | R. Bratseth | F. Redondo | Alex.-Arnold | C. Azpilicueta | P. van Himst | M. Tardelli | E. Figueroa | |
Gio | G. Best | F. Puskás | J. Tigana | R. Gullit | D. Passarella | N. Santos | L. Riva | R. Dasayev | T. Ravelli | B. Wright | F. Beckenbauer | |||
Raees | F. Baresi | G. Müller | L. Figo | D. Santos | Z. Boniek | S. Marzolini | F. Albert | J.L. Chilavert | S. Pluskal | B. Moore |
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mufc/Theon | L. Messi | G. Scirea | R. Keane | A. Cole | M. Amoros | D. Godín | P. Breitner | J. Joya | M. Preud'homme | W. Lubański | Zito | V. Voronin | O. Blokhin | |
Sjor | Pelé | A. Iniesta | B. Robson | P. Lahm | N. Kanté | A. Spencer | T. Gemmell | M. Belodedici | I. Viktor | I. Chislenko | P. Maldini | A. Di Stefano | ||
Jim/pnut | Eusébio | P.R. Falcão | J. Zanetti | N. Hidegkuti | H. Stoichkov | P. Scholes | C. Ferrara | J. Camacho | R. Hellström | F. Rijkaard | K.H. Förster | |||
Fortitude | D. Maradona | M. van Basten | J. Kohler | R. Ferdinand | T. Cerezo | L. Modrić | F. Bene | J. Oblak | F. Jusufi | K. Mbappé | S. Jardine | G. Facchetti | I. Netto | |
Enigma | C. Ronaldo | A. Nesta | G. Souness | J. Neeskens | B. Lizarazu | R. Rivellino | G. Batistuta | P. Čech | V. Kompany | V. Ivanov | D. Džajić | |||
Pat | Zico | J. Cruyff | A. Demyanenko | P. McGrath | U. Seeler | L. Yashin | R. Bratseth | F. Redondo | Alex.-Arnold | C. Azpilicueta | P. van Himst | M. Tardelli | E. Figueroa | |
Gio | G. Best | F. Puskás | J. Tigana | R. Gullit | D. Passarella | N. Santos | L. Riva | R. Dasayev | T. Ravelli | B. Wright | F. Beckenbauer | |||
Raees | F. Baresi | G. Müller | L. Figo | D. Santos | Z. Boniek | S. Marzolini | F. Albert | J.L. Chilavert | S. Pluskal | B. Moore |
ok, didn't see that coming, but considering who you took you are excusedcheers, though my heart bleeds as i really wanted Elkjaer
Manager | Round 1 | Round 2 | Round 3 | Round 4 | Round 5 | Round 6 | Round 7 | Round 8 | Round 9 | Round 10 | Round 11 | Round 12 | Round 13 | Round 14 |
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mufc/Theon | L. Messi | G. Scirea | R. Keane | A. Cole | M. Amoros | D. Godín | P. Breitner | J. Joya | M. Preud'homme | W. Lubański | Zito | V. Voronin | O. Blokhin | |
Sjor | Pelé | A. Iniesta | B. Robson | P. Lahm | N. Kanté | A. Spencer | T. Gemmell | M. Belodedici | I. Viktor | I. Chislenko | P. Maldini | A. Di Stefano | ||
Jim/pnut | Eusébio | P.R. Falcão | J. Zanetti | N. Hidegkuti | H. Stoichkov | P. Scholes | C. Ferrara | J. Camacho | R. Hellström | F. Rijkaard | K.H. Förster | |||
Fortitude | D. Maradona | M. van Basten | J. Kohler | R. Ferdinand | T. Cerezo | L. Modrić | F. Bene | J. Oblak | F. Jusufi | K. Mbappé | S. Jardine | G. Facchetti | I. Netto | |
Enigma | C. Ronaldo | A. Nesta | G. Souness | J. Neeskens | B. Lizarazu | R. Rivellino | G. Batistuta | P. Čech | V. Kompany | V. Ivanov | D. Džajić | B. Vogts | ||
Pat | Zico | J. Cruyff | A. Demyanenko | P. McGrath | U. Seeler | L. Yashin | R. Bratseth | F. Redondo | Alex.-Arnold | C. Azpilicueta | P. van Himst | M. Tardelli | E. Figueroa | |
Gio | G. Best | F. Puskás | J. Tigana | R. Gullit | D. Passarella | N. Santos | L. Riva | R. Dasayev | T. Ravelli | B. Wright | F. Beckenbauer | |||
Raees | F. Baresi | G. Müller | L. Figo | D. Santos | Z. Boniek | S. Marzolini | F. Albert | J.L. Chilavert | S. Pluskal | B. Moore |
Debatable.Perfect draft for him and one of the greatest wingers in the game
You don't like him?Debatable.
Not that I don't like him, he is a great player. Just not that top3 - top5 bracket winger it is said around here imo. It is still a great attack, mind you.You don't like him?
I definitely have a good use of him though so he was the best pick for me from the off.
Won't get away with it as draft community is pretty clued up on things like that. For example Giggs as a CM is not going to get as much credit as Giggs as a LW if that is what you mean..What happens in this draft if, say, a player started out in one position, did very well in it, but then went on to make a much greater name for themselves in another position and are then accredited with the new position's legend whilst slotted into a team in their initial position?
Is this going to be given any kind of consideration, or will the 'name' override the actual fact that the two bodies of work are not to be conflated?
What pure left wingers would you have higher than him?Not that I don't like him, he is a great player. Just not that top3 - top5 bracket winger it is said around here imo. It is still a great attack, mind you.
Right. I wonder.Won't get away with it as draft community is pretty clued up on things like that. For example Giggs as a CM is not going to get as much credit as Giggs as a LW if that is what you mean..
"Pure", interesting way of puttingWhat pure left wingers would you have higher than him?
Interesting.Not that I don't like him, he is a great player. Just not that top3 - top5 bracket winger it is said around here imo. It is still a great attack, mind you.
Depending how good he played there. Plenty of players played "out of position" and did well(Seeler as RW, Rijkaard as CB, Bossis regularly plays all over the defence)in drafts. Giggs would be hacked down no doubt but thats only because he was nowhere near good enough to play at this level. Did okay for United but you need more then that to play here.What happens in this draft if, say, a player started out in one position, did very well in it, but then went on to make a much greater name for themselves in another position and are then accredited with the new position's legend whilst slotted into a team in their initial position?
Is this going to be given any kind of consideration, or will the 'name' override the actual fact that the two bodies of work are not to be conflated?
I'd say depends on the level shown during the timeframe. There are multiple players that excelled at different positions and the impact of whether they are put would be minimal I'd say.What happens in this draft if, say, a player started out in one position, did very well in it, but then went on to make a much greater name for themselves in another position and are then accredited with the new position's legend whilst slotted into a team in their initial position?
Is this going to be given any kind of consideration, or will the 'name' override the actual fact that the two bodies of work are not to be conflated?
And Ronaldinho is pure winger? Cristiano too?Interesting.
For me - he's right up there at top five left winger alongside Best, Ronaldinho, Cristiano and Gento.
EDIT: Not sure of the pure definition, but Rensenbrink isn't exactly a pure one, but rather LWF at his best.
I didn't include only pure wingers, but generally those counted as such. From your list I'd have Best ahead of him and debatably Gento.And Ronaldinho is pure winger? Cristiano too?
He is a fine choice let's leave it there.
Was just about to write this too but yeah leave these debates for in the games.I didn't include only pure wingers, but generally those counted as such. From your list I'd have Best ahead of him and debatably Gento.
Either way let's leave it for the games.
Sure mate. I didn't wanted to go arguing against it just for the sake of it. Džajić - (United) Ronaldo on either flank in a 4-4-2 is just fantastic. Shame no one ever put it.I didn't include only pure wingers, but generally those counted as such. From your list I'd have Best ahead of him and debatably Gento.
Either way let's leave it for the games.
Would say it depends on neutrals accepting that the later higher level translates to the old role as well. So a matter of each individual case.OK, I get the gist, thanks all - I am more referring to players who were very good in one position, but then went stellar in their new position being then played in their old position that didn't hold them in the same kind of regard.
Manager | Round 1 | Round 2 | Round 3 | Round 4 | Round 5 | Round 6 | Round 7 | Round 8 | Round 9 | Round 10 | Round 11 | Round 12 | Round 13 | Round 14 |
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mufc/Theon | L. Messi | G. Scirea | R. Keane | A. Cole | M. Amoros | D. Godín | P. Breitner | J. Joya | M. Preud'homme | W. Lubański | Zito | V. Voronin | O. Blokhin | |
Sjor | Pelé | A. Iniesta | B. Robson | P. Lahm | N. Kanté | A. Spencer | T. Gemmell | M. Belodedici | I. Viktor | I. Chislenko | P. Maldini | A. Di Stefano | ||
Jim/pnut | Eusébio | P.R. Falcão | J. Zanetti | N. Hidegkuti | H. Stoichkov | P. Scholes | C. Ferrara | J. Camacho | R. Hellström | F. Rijkaard | K.H. Förster | |||
Fortitude | D. Maradona | M. van Basten | J. Kohler | R. Ferdinand | T. Cerezo | L. Modrić | F. Bene | J. Oblak | F. Jusufi | K. Mbappé | S. Jardine | G. Facchetti | I. Netto | |
Enigma | C. Ronaldo | A. Nesta | G. Souness | J. Neeskens | B. Lizarazu | R. Rivellino | G. Batistuta | P. Čech | V. Kompany | V. Ivanov | D. Džajić | B. Vogts | ||
Pat | Zico | J. Cruyff | A. Demyanenko | P. McGrath | U. Seeler | L. Yashin | R. Bratseth | F. Redondo | Alex.-Arnold | C. Azpilicueta | P. van Himst | M. Tardelli | E. Figueroa | F. Arce |
Gio | G. Best | F. Puskás | J. Tigana | R. Gullit | D. Passarella | N. Santos | L. Riva | R. Dasayev | T. Ravelli | B. Wright | F. Beckenbauer | |||
Raees | F. Baresi | G. Müller | L. Figo | D. Santos | Z. Boniek | S. Marzolini | F. Albert | J.L. Chilavert | S. Pluskal | B. Moore |
Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with that obviouslySure mate. I didn't wanted to go arguing against it just for the sake of it. Džajić - (United) Ronaldo on either flank in a 4-4-2 is just fantastic. Shame no one ever put it.
You can shove your Di Stefanos and Beckenbauers up your arses.
Finally! Just praying the God's of draft to not put me again through those 72 pages of debate with you.Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with that obviously
You know you love itFinally! Just praying the God's of draft to not put me again through those 72 pages of debate with you.