Internationals March (Euro Qualifiers + Friendlies)

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I get that when we have a man on both posts it allows Alli to attack the 6 yard box but he really does not do enough in midfield...

Sterling’s movement is great.
 

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I swear the way you lot bang on about Smalling you'd think he was the reincarnation of Maldini rather than a half decent centre back.

He's better defensively than guys like Stones & Maguire, but Southgate has a system and a style he wants to work with, and central defenders who are awkward on the ball don't work well in that system.

Smalling isn't good enough to alter the way we play, and we moaned for ages about shoe horning players in who didn't suit the system.
 

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I swear the way you lot bang on about Smalling you'd think he was the reincarnation of Maldini rather than a half decent centre back.

He's better defensively than guys like Stones & Maguire, but Southgate has a system and a style he wants to work with, and central defenders who are awkward on the ball don't work well in that system.

Smalling isn't good enough to alter the way we play, and we moaned for ages about shoe horning players in who didn't suit the system.
Nobody thinks he's Maldini.

I just think he's a better defender than Keane or Tarkowski.

He's certainly a better option than fecking Phil Jones!
 

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When did Tadic become Zidane reincarnated? Did I miss something?

He's ridiculously good
 

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I may have been inspired by comment sections over at the guardian and the telegraph.

Seriously? Christ.

We're decent and have some exciting players (finally) but still clearly have a hell of a long way to go and some real weak areas.

For me France are by a distance the most complete national side, and then Brazil and Belgium follow behind, with us maybe edging in to that category.
 

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I think Shaw, if fit, would be first choice left back for England.
Chilwell is better. Shaw is a sure fire #2 over Rose though, for sure.

I really like Hudson Odoi. If he wants to progress he needs to get the feck away from Chelsea though. He'd be better served with us, Liverpool, Arsenal or Spurs. Chelsea and City are cancer for youth.
 

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Nobody thinks he's Maldini.

I just think he's a better defender than Keane or Tarkowski.

He's certainly a better option than fecking Phil Jones!
He is, but it's pretty clear he's being left out due to his ability on the ball, which is a valid criticism


Southgate has made it a key part of his system that the defenders have to be comfortable in possession, guys like Keane/Tarkowski aren't exceptional in that regard but they are better than Smalling.

If Smalling was a genuinely world class CB you could argue Southgate should make an exception, but I don't think he's at a level where you compromise on how you want to play.
 

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I swear the way you lot bang on about Smalling you'd think he was the reincarnation of Maldini rather than a half decent centre back.

He's better defensively than guys like Stones & Maguire, but Southgate has a system and a style he wants to work with, and central defenders who are awkward on the ball don't work well in that system.

Smalling isn't good enough to alter the way we play, and we moaned for ages about shoe horning players in who didn't suit the system.
I have said it in a other thread.....Smalling is only world-class (for Man Utd fans) during international breaks.
 

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I have said it in a other thread.....Smalling is only world-class (for Man Utd fans) during international breaks.
No one saying he is world class, he is just better at defending than all of the English CBs in the squad, funnily enough even the person you quoted is saying he is better at defending than Stones and Maguire
 

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He is, but it's pretty clear he's being left out due to his ability on the ball, which is a valid criticism


Southgate has made it a key part of his system that the defenders have to be comfortable in possession, guys like Keane/Tarkowski aren't exceptional in that regard but they are better than Smalling.

If Smalling was a genuinely world class CB you could argue Southgate should make an exception, but I don't think he's at a level where you compromise on how you want to play.
No I get that and I like the fact he wants us to play nice football.

I just think the likes of Jones and Tarkowski, they may be better on the ball than Smalling but not by a huge amount. And when it comes to actual defending Smalling is much better than both of them.

I mean how often does Tarkowski do anything on the ball playing for Burnley? They have 11 behind the ball and lump it forward every game dont they?

A crucial game at a major tournament, and if for whatever reason Stones and Maguire or Gomez were all unavailable i'd much rather have Smalling as emergency backup than Jones Keane or Tarkowski.
 

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He is, but it's pretty clear he's being left out due to his ability on the ball, which is a valid criticism


Southgate has made it a key part of his system that the defenders have to be comfortable in possession, guys like Keane/Tarkowski aren't exceptional in that regard but they are better than Smalling.

If Smalling was a genuinely world class CB you could argue Southgate should make an exception, but I don't think he's at a level where you compromise on how you want to play.
I think not having him in the squad at all is a bit much, but fair enough.
Also I think Smallings lack of ability on the ball is vastly overstated to be honest. Hes not great but neither are some in the England sqaud
 

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The way some of you go on about Southgate,you'd think he's the English Pep Guardiola.
 

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I think not having him in the squad at all is a bit much, but fair enough.
Also I think Smallings lack of ability on the ball is vastly overstated to be honest. Hes not great but neither are some in the England sqaud
Yeah I'm not arguing Smalling is world class or should be first choice.

I'd have him in the squad over Jones and Tarkowski though.
 

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I've said before if CR7 didn't get hurt against France at the Euro 2016, I think France would have been European champions.

I don't know if it's the players being more involved in the final third or them simply becoming more unpredictable without him. Not so much being just better.
Yeah same if Pogba was available in Paris. We would have tried playing it through him and he would have been marked out of the game.
 

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the whole Smalling debate would make sense if England was losing games and fecking up defensively. as theyre not what's the point of analysing and debating it? the results have spoken for themself.
 

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2 defensive midfielders and 4 forwards... fecking hell :lol:

William starts and Ruben Neves is on the bench :houllier: Moutinho and Ruben Neves have been two of the best midfielders in England and we're playing William who hasn't been good enough for Betis...

First start in the national team for 29 year old Dyego Souza too, can't believe it's 2019 and we still have to naturalize brazilians because we don't have a half decent striker.

Time for the players to step up and drag us through this given the manager is trying to sabotage the team.
Because you’ve got the best one in the world. Imo, Portugal should just play a 4-3-3 with Ronaldo upfront and get rid of the problem England used to have, which is playing players who scarcely deserve it like Carvalho.

P.s. can’t embed images so got rid of the lineup.
 

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Joe Cole is a good pundit isn't he.
Is he? He's just said Declan Rice is patrolling in front of the back four and preventing any counters but Montenegro have been a threat on the counter all first half.
 

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Wow Portugal could finish third in this group if they don't turn around tonight, already used up two home games. Luxembourg are beating Ukraine though which would soften things.

How does play off thing work for teams in nations league final? I assume the winner gets an automatic spot but what happens to the other three, do they just go back to trying to qualify from the groups or do they get yet another play off?
It's separate. The finals are this year, the play-offs are next year. Any team that doesn't qualify from the groups get another shot based on how they ranked in the nations league with 4 possible slots per league.
 

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Southgate has made it a key part of his system that the defenders have to be comfortable in possession, guys like Keane/Tarkowski aren't exceptional in that regard but they are better than Smalling.
I think if a manager cannot pick a superior in-form defender because he cant fit him into his system then there is an issue.
 

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the whole Smalling debate would make sense if England was losing games and fecking up defensively. as theyre not what's the point of analysing and debating it? the results have spoken for themself.
They are fecking up defensively.
 

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I've said before if CR7 didn't get hurt against France at the Euro 2016, I think France would have been European champions.

I don't know if it's the players being more involved in the final third or them simply becoming more unpredictable without him. Not so much being just better.
We played like crap vs France in the Euros final after Ronaldo got subbed off. We should have conceded 5 or 6 in the second half and didn't have one half chance... it was our worst half of the tournament and that's saying a lot considering how poor it got at times. Extra time France got tired and the game shifted.

Today we're playing worse since Ronaldo got subbed off too but we scored so we're better without Ronaldo... like Madrid were better without Ronaldo too.
 

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No I get that and I like the fact he wants us to play nice football.

I just think the likes of Jones and Tarkowski, they may be better on the ball than Smalling but not by a huge amount. And when it comes to actual defending Smalling is much better than both of them.

I mean how often does Tarkowski do anything on the ball playing for Burnley? They have 11 behind the ball and lump it forward every game dont they?
The idea is you have to do less actual last ditch defending if you have players comfortable in possession and whilst Smalling might be better 1vs1 etc, some coaches value other assets more especially in the modern game and for a side expected to dominate most games.

Tarkowski is very comfortable on he ball from what I've seen of him. Doesn't get to show it off much for that Burnley side but he's good in that regard.