What? Absolute nonsense.The Jose way is the cowardly charlatan way. We bought fools gold from a snake oil salesman. Spend vast fortunes on ageing grandad players, to win a few shit cups, while playing shit football, ignoring the youth etc
Success at Man Utd for post-Fergie managers should be measured by how many kids you've turned into stars, by how many struggling players you've transformed, by the style of football you play, and how many times you've qualified for the champions league, whether by top 4 or EL victories.
I'm guessing in around a year from now, Ole's long term vision will finally start to bear some real fruit when the likes of Garner, Diallo and Mejbri start to become stars, in an already impressive team hopefully.
And he only did it by almost bankrupting the club and leaving us with crap squad - I hope you thought those 2 trophies were worth itDefinitely.
- Won the Europa League
- Won the League Cup
- Reached FA Cup Final
- Reached Champions League Quarter finals
- 2nd place in Premier League and highest points total
- Despite being more defensive, it took a 9-0 victory over Southampton to score more goals this season (we scored 5 more this season)
- Best defensive record by far
I care far more about us playing exciting football with lots of young/United developed players included than I do about winning the Champions League. Trophies are great but they should be the result of playing football the United way. Ole may or may not bring great success but he is the only post-SAF manager who should have been anywhere near the club.What? Absolute nonsense.
Success should be measured on big trophies.
FA cup and specially Europa league are dummy trophies, not even worth mentioning really.
None of our coaches post Fergie has been successful, Moyes was a disaster, LVG was boring as hell and set us back even further, Mourinho was toxic, Ole stopped the free fall of the club but has stabilized on mediocrity. There's no "best manager" when all are dross.
Until, hopefully, Ole wins a major title meaning Premier League or Champions League we can't talk about him being a successful manager no matter how many kids he turns into stars, how many struggling players he helps and how many times he gets top 4.
I think you'd really like Athletic Bilbao, they play mostly with players from their academy. Many youngsters each season, fairly good football all things considered, they don't win much but under your parameters they'll be world champions each single season.I care far more about us playing exciting football with lots of young/United developed players included than I do about winning the Champions League. Trophies are great but they should be the result of playing football the United way. Ole may or may not bring great success but he is the only post-SAF manager who should have been anywhere near the club.
Exactly the same thing. Well done.I think you'd really like Athletic Bilbao, they play mostly with players from their academy. Many youngsters each season, fairly good football all things considered, they don't win much but under your parameters they'll be world champions each single season.
We scored so many BS goals hoofing it to him.This is funny because Fellaini did more to cover Jose's shortcomings than any other player
We scored so many BS goals hoofing it to him.
These are the long term and process-related factors that deserve more weight from those who look to trophies alone and then congratulate themselves for having figured out how a football club works.The Jose way is the cowardly charlatan way. We bought fools gold from a snake oil salesman. Spend vast fortunes on ageing grandad players, to win a few shit cups, while playing shit football, ignoring the youth etc
Success at Man Utd for post-Fergie managers should be measured by how many kids you've turned into stars, by how many struggling players you've transformed, by the style of football you play, and how many times you've qualified for the champions league, whether by top 4 or EL victories.
I'm guessing in around a year from now, Ole's long term vision will finally start to bear some real fruit when the likes of Garner, Diallo and Mejbri start to become stars, in an already impressive team hopefully.
Elite managers are salivating? We are in a better place than when Mourinho left there's no doubt about that. But I think you are overreacting a little.These are the long term and process-related factors that deserve more weight from those who look to trophies alone and then congratulate themselves for having figured out how a football club works.
Whether or not Ole can ultimately succeed at Manchester United, he took management of the club when we were at our lowest and has dragged us back into a place where elite managers would salivate at taking the reigns.
If the board wanted to fire Ole and get Poch or Tuchel at the points when they were last available, do you think they would have said yes? And if so, would that yes have been given or as enthusiastically given when Morinho was fired?Elite managers are salivating? We are in a better place than when Mourinho left there's no doubt about that. But I think you are overreacting a little.
I think it wouldnt have made a difference really. But its hard to know, of course we are in a better position right now than what we were but as I said I dont think managers are "salivating" to manage us.If the board wanted to fire Ole and get Poch or Tuchel at the points when they were last available, do you think they would have said yes? And if so, would that yes have been given or as enthusiastically given when Morinho was fired?
This level of delusion is just depressing to see.Success at Man Utd for post-Fergie managers should be measured by how many kids you've turned into stars, by how many struggling players you've transformed, by the style of football you play, and how many times you've qualified for the champions league, whether by top 4 or EL victories.
Beats choking in all the tinpot title semi finals.A couple of tinpot titles doesn’t cut it for me.
Given the financial states of RM and Barca now, especially Barca, I gotta wonder about their appeal. Their success has been built lately on an unsustainable model that's going to at best seriously hinder their ability to buy players for the foreseeable future.I think it wouldnt have made a difference really. But its hard to know, of course we are in a better position right now than what we were but as I said I dont think managers are "salivating" to manage us.
They're salivating to manage City and Bayern for example. All the other top clubs are among the same bracket, except obviously for Madrid and Barca that have that "prestige" that pulls a lot of managers.
Complete nonsense.Success is winning titles, there's no other metric.
Respectfully, you must be a younger person... the F.A. Cup is historically important and when I was a kid, it was the only live TV match we got to see in a year (unless it was a World Cup year). It meant everything, it should still mean everything - it is not a 'dummy trophy'.What? Absolute nonsense.
Success should be measured on big trophies.
FA cup and specially Europa league are dummy trophies, not even worth mentioning really.
None of our coaches post Fergie has been successful, Moyes was a disaster, LVG was boring as hell and set us back even further, Mourinho was toxic, Ole stopped the free fall of the club but has stabilized on mediocrity. There's no "best manager" when all are dross.
Until, hopefully, Ole wins a major title meaning Premier League or Champions League we can't talk about him being a successful manager no matter how many kids he turns into stars, how many struggling players he helps and how many times he gets top 4.
I do think the FA cup is way more important than the EL cup. For a start in the EL you don't face any really top teams besides the ones that already failed in the UCL. So it's a losers vs middle tier teams cup, no real prestige for top clubs there in my opinion.Respectfully, you must be a younger person... the F.A. Cup is historically important and when I was a kid, it was the only live TV match we got to see in a year (unless it was a World Cup year). It meant everything, it should still mean everything - it is not a 'dummy trophy'.
Sadly, for financial reasons, getting top-4 is now more important than the FA Cup, but tell that to Leicester fans! I bet the board & the owners, would have preferred a loss in the Cup and a top-4 finish*. But not the fans.... It was great to see them beat Chelsea - almost as good as that unreal 2016, please do not disparage the FA Cup, its important.
I realise I am taking a risk here, but the gradual decline of the importance of the FA Cup can be traced back to one year and one club - Man Utd in 1999. That should never have happened, they should have stayed in it and played the kids, it was a very, very poor decision and I know Sir Alex later regretted it:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/dec/02/ferguson-regret-fa-cup
*Actually, maybe not in Leicester's case, their ownership is pretty much the envy of most clubs and their recent cup win had more importance to the family than CL and top-4, they can always do that in the future. Lucky Keppa Arrizabalaga is only 5ft 7"!
P.S. If the winners of the FA Cup got a CL place - perhaps instead of 4th, things might be very different.... I would advocate that.
Of course I would take progressing in CL over even winning EL. A team like United should always be in CL KO stages playing against other top teams.He bought feckin Alexis Sanchez, who was already done at Arsenal, on huge wages.
Now that we lost the UEL final so wimpily, would y’all have preferred to beat that UCL Turkish team and qualify for the last 16, then probably exiting UCL OR making it all the way to the UEL final then bottling it?
Ultimately, whoever who decided on the managers after Moyes messed up.
It really isn’t. The Man United, Chelsea or Arsenal teams aren’t a patch on the teams of ten years ago. It’s arguable if Liverpool are. Spurs are the worst they’ve been in about 8 years as well.The league is as good as it's ever been, as evidenced by the UCL final we just watched,
Exactly that.Of course he is. It doesn't surprise me that people can't accept that though. Football fans can be very emotional about these things.
It's a weird logic to argue we had a worse team playing worse football than now and then at the same time say he wasn't better despite actual trophies.
If Ole actually gets some results from this so called progress then will be the time we can claim he's better.
The bitter utterances of a washed-up has-been. Calls finishing 2nd with us one of his greatest achievements, but when Ole does it it's "a bad season."Former Manchester United boss Jose Mourinho believes expectations at the club have dropped since his departure from Old Trafford
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...e-mourinho-manchester-united-verdict-20772193
“Another season” – Mourinho takes a swipe at Man United and Solskjaer
https://weallfollowunited.com/2021/...nho-fires-a-fresh-salvo-at-manchester-united/