Is Pogba as good as gone?

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You did by saying it’s the level of a primary school level argument, my argument is that he should still be in that gym not pissing around in miami.
The ‘pissing about’ bit is conjecture, likely shaped by a preconception you have of the player. Are are you saying that Pogba has ‘gone rogue’ now? You don’t know where/what he should be doing at any given time during his whole two month recovery. Rooney was sent to Miami to recover more than once, but different profile, not the same story. The theory you have concocted will likely contribute to your view that Pogba hasn’t got the right attitude and wants out etc, and 6 months later, you probably don’t even know why you may hold a feeling of contempt anymore. This is how false truths grow.

And apologies if my initial post seemed rude. Let’s just take this for what it is, he’s out injured, we’ve all watched football for long enough to be familiar with this aspect of the game, it is what it is, we’ll see what happens when he gets back. My personal issue is the public general perception of the player over the past few years is made up largely of such theory, mixed with a little bit of fact - but nobody remembers why anymore. Repetition of pundits lazily and stereotypically floating this ‘bad attitude’ theory coupled with a man running off him in a game here, and a comment made there and it all spirals. Men run off of other players too, even those with an opposite narrative. It all becomes self-fulfilling with PP, and creates a toxic disconnect between our fans and our own player. I don’t think we should let that happen lightly.
 

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The ‘pissing about’ bit is conjecture, likely shaped by a preconception you have of the player. Are are you saying that Pogba has ‘gone rogue’ now? You don’t know where/what he should be doing at any given time during his whole two month recovery. Rooney was sent to Miami to recover more than once, but different profile, not the same story. The theory you have concocted will likely contribute to your view that Pogba hasn’t got the right attitude and wants out etc, and 6 months later, you probably don’t even know why you may hold a feeling of contempt anymore. This is how false truths grow.

And apologies if my initial post seemed rude. Let’s just take this for what it is, he’s out injured, we’ve all watched football for long enough to be familiar with this aspect of the game, it is what it is, we’ll see what happens when he gets back. My personal issue is the public general perception of the player over the past few years is made up largely of such theory, mixed with a little bit of fact - but nobody remembers why anymore. Repetition of pundits lazily and stereotypically floating this ‘bad attitude’ theory coupled with a man running off him in a game here, and a comment made there and it all spirals. Men run off of other players too, even those with an opposite narrative. It all becomes self-fulfilling with PP, and creates a toxic disconnect between our fans and our own player. I don’t think we should let that happen lightly.
I think we will be able to pick this up in January when he is freely running around in a different shirt “injury free”
 

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I think we will be able to pick this up in January when he is freely running around in a different shirt “injury free”
Okay. And if he isn’t, would it change your mind on anything? Would it cause you to consider that perhaps these scenarios you have concocted may possibly not be true? Nah, didn’t think so tbh.
 

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Okay. And if he isn’t, would it change your mind on anything? Would it cause you to consider that perhaps these scenarios you have concocted may possibly not be true? Nah, didn’t think so tbh.
I would be delighted to see him playing for us regularly and playing well.

I will not hold my breath however.
 

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I think we will be able to pick this up in January when he is freely running around in a different shirt “injury free”
It wouldn't surprise me if he's still here after January. It's possible him and his agent are being quiet because they've put their feelers out and no one wants him. Zidane seems to be the only one interested but I can't see any way Perez is going to veto the move unless Bale is involved which wouldn't be a smart move for the club. Maybe Juve would swap him for about 4 of their surplus players but once again it wouldn't be a good move taking players who aren't interested in playing for us. I really can't think of any other club that would be interested in him and I definitely can't think of any club willing to pay 120m+ in cold hard cash.
 

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It wouldn't surprise me if he's still here after January. It's possible him and his agent are being quiet because they've put their feelers out and no one wants him. Zidane seems to be the only one interested but I can't see any way Perez is going to veto the move unless Bale is involved which wouldn't be a smart move for the club. Maybe Juve would swap him for about 4 of their surplus players but once again it wouldn't be a good move taking players who aren't interested in playing for us. I really can't think of any other club that would be interested in him and I definitely can't think of any club willing to pay 120m+ in cold hard cash.
Juve seem very ambitious and on the up, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s already a done deal and we being very much on the down will take some pudding off them.
 

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I would be delighted to see him playing for us regularly and playing well.

I will not hold my breath however.
But somehow, based on heaven knows what, you have convinced yourself that this is a remote possibility. He’s very likely to play regularly for us, given Ole will put him in the team when fit, as he should do. There’s actually very little talk about a departure, yet you have convinced yourself that he’ll be off in a few weeks. When the mind is made up, confirmation can be found anywhere and easily. Like him going to Miami because ‘it’s obvious Ole doesn’t want him around’.

If we stick to the facts alone, it’s very likely he will return and play regularly for us. It’s when we mix the facts with conjecture that the chances seem slim, because all the conjecture around this particular player is usually negative. Especially now that he is unable to play football, seems we have nothing else but to hypothesise. Let’s just wait, only a couple of weeks left now.
 

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But somehow, based on heaven knows what, you have convinced yourself that this is a remote possibility. He’s very likely to play regularly for us, given Ole will put him in the team when fit, as he should do. There’s actually very little talk about a departure, yet you have convinced yourself that he’ll be off in a few weeks. When the mind is made up, confirmation can be found anywhere and easily. Like him going to Miami because ‘it’s obvious Ole doesn’t want him around’.

If we stick to the facts alone, it’s very likely he will return and play regularly for us. It’s when we mix the facts with conjecture that the chances seem slim, because all the conjecture around this particular player is usually negative. Especially now that he is unable to play football, seems we have nothing else but to hypothesise. Let’s just wait, only a couple of weeks left now.
Unable or unwilling or even worse not bothered as he’s getting paid regardless, it’s been a couple of weeks for 3 months now. The guy is more trouble than he is worth. Blue hair cuts for Manchester derbies, brother and agent touting him about regularly. Hasn’t scored from open play for nearly a year for club OR country.

Too many professionals have slammed him as selfish for them all to be wrong, it’s his fourth season now and it’s been mediocre at best for the cost.
 

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Unable or unwilling or even worse not bothered as he’s getting paid regardless, it’s been a couple of weeks for 3 months now. The guy is more trouble than he is worth. Blue hair cuts for Manchester derbies, brother and agent touting him about regularly. Hasn’t scored from open play for nearly a year for club OR country.

Too many professionals have slammed him as selfish for them all to be wrong, it’s his fourth season now and it’s been mediocre at best for the cost.
It hasn’t been a couple of weeks for 3 months, so that’s another concoction.

The guy is no trouble at all really, so that’s yet another.

‘Blue hair cuts for Manchester derbies’. Really? We back on the haircut thing again now? You referring to the Manchester Derby he won for us scoring twice? Yea, I think he did have a blue highlight in that game. What now?

The professionals that call him selfish are not the ones that work with him. Plenty of professionals say nice things about him too, but you don’t hear that. There is little fact to suggest he is selfish. Just old angry white men who have a problem with him seeming to be self-indulged on social media in the main, but nothing selfish about him as a footballer.

He was our top scorer last season. And as you know, has not played for two Mo the of this one so far.

His G+A is double figures every year. If he’s been mediocre, then the rest of the squad should go first. He made the team of the season last year. Whoever you want to replace him won’t do better.

You have drunk the Souness juice, and now dislike your own player based off mostly bullshit.
 

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It hasn’t been a couple of weeks for 3 months, so that’s another concoction.

The guy is no trouble at all really, so that’s yet another.

‘Blue hair cuts for Manchester derbies’. Really? We back on the haircut thing again now? You referring to the Manchester Derby he won for us scoring twice? Yea, I think he did have a blue highlight in that game. What now?

The professionals that call him selfish are not the ones that work with him. Plenty of professionals say nice things about him too, but you don’t hear that. There is little fact to suggest he is selfish. Just old angry white men who have a problem with him seeming to be self-indulged on social media in the main, but nothing selfish about him as a footballer.

He was our top scorer last season. And as you know, has not played for two Mo the of this one so far.

His G+A is double figures every year. If he’s been mediocre, then the rest of the squad should go first. He made the team of the season last year. Whoever you want to replace him won’t do better.

You have drunk the Souness juice, and now dislike your own player based off mostly bullshit.
The blue haircut was for France, it's the color of his country.
 

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The blue haircut was for France, it's the color of his country.
I would never begin to be one of the football followers that starts trying to take issue with a haircut anyway, I was just quoting the other poster.
 

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The blue haircut was for France, it's the color of his country.
On derby day? I don’t often go dark on another poster but wake the feck up! This is around the period pep said he was “offered” to him.
 

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It hasn’t been a couple of weeks for 3 months, so that’s another concoction.

The guy is no trouble at all really, so that’s yet another.

‘Blue hair cuts for Manchester derbies’. Really? We back on the haircut thing again now? You referring to the Manchester Derby he won for us scoring twice? Yea, I think he did have a blue highlight in that game. What now?

The professionals that call him selfish are not the ones that work with him. Plenty of professionals say nice things about him too, but you don’t hear that. There is little fact to suggest he is selfish. Just old angry white men who have a problem with him seeming to be self-indulged on social media in the main, but nothing selfish about him as a footballer.

He was our top scorer last season. And as you know, has not played for two Mo the of this one so far.

His G+A is double figures every year. If he’s been mediocre, then the rest of the squad should go first. He made the team of the season last year. Whoever you want to replace him won’t do better.

You have drunk the Souness juice, and now dislike your own player based off mostly bullshit.
Top scorer hahahahahahaha

4 and a half from open play

Take away the missed penalties and it’s about zero
 

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I would never begin to be one of the football followers that starts trying to take issue with a haircut anyway, I was just quoting the other poster.
I know, the point is just that you don't even need to remind him that Pogba basically won us that game since we know why he had a blue haircut, it's in the name of the national team he was playing for during the international break.
 

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I know, the point is just that you don't even need to remind him that Pogba basically won us that game since we know why he had a blue haircut, it's in the name of the national team he was playing for during the international break.
Absolute bollocks, he did that to cause a reaction on derby day.
 

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I came on this page thinking we had an update on his injury, not what his hair looked like 2 years ago
 

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About Pogba's constant haircuts:

Paul Pogba is a big fan of tattoo's, but as a devout Muslim he can't put ink on his skin. He uses hair colors and styles as form of self expression. So now maybe we can lay that one to rest. It's that instead of tattoos.
 

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About Pogba's constant haircuts:

Paul Pogba is a big fan of tattoo's, but as a devout Muslim he can't put ink on his skin. He uses hair colors and styles as form of self expression. So now maybe we can lay that one to rest. It's that instead of tattoos.
Blue on derby day when he had been linked to city, feck me pogba apologists
 

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He wants to leave, it’s clear as day. Pretty sure something is lined up for January, there is no attempt by united to rush him back. Why is he in the US after being in the UAE? Feels like Ole doesn’t want him around anymore, injured players even during international breaks usually report to the club so they can monitor the progress and also because they are still being fecking paid. Only players that usually doesn’t apply to is players surplus to requirement or already one foot out the door.
You have your mind made on being out the door so not looking at things objectively, otherwise you would not ask why aren't they rushing back as a serious question. This is not a small muscular injury or the likes, where sometimes risks are taken. It's a long term injury that has required a cast and so there is a process for getting back to playing football that can't be rushed.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/man-utd-paul-pogba-injury-17192441 - when this was reported on Nov 3, they estimated about 10 days before the cast came off. After which there would be a 2 week rehab and then football training only once rehab was completed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-United-boost-getting-ankle-cast-removed.html - cast actually came off on Nov 11. It's not been 2 weeks, so he would not be training with the team and he would not be reporting to Carrington because he is already under care for the recovery of injury outside.

United and Ole are well aware of what the timeline was and Ole describe the same as above as to what is going on. in fact Ole didn't think he would be available till middle to late December. Right now it's looking like it may be early December.

If you look at it objectively, football is littered with players with bigger injuries that get treated and rehab outside the confines of the club with specialists. The timing of the international break has nothing do with when they report, they report when they are supposed to. Dalot was out during the last intl break, he didn't report. Zlatan didn't report when he was going through his issues. Why? Because it's normal because while clubs do have medical staff and physio and such, when it comes to bigger issues, it is often taken outside.
 

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You have your mind made on being out the door so not looking at things objectively, otherwise you would not ask why aren't they rushing back as a serious question. This is not a small muscular injury or the likes, where sometimes risks are taken. It's a long term injury that has required a cast and so there is a process for getting back to playing football that can't be rushed.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/man-utd-paul-pogba-injury-17192441 - when this was reported on Nov 3, they estimated about 10 days before the cast came off. After which there would be a 2 week rehab and then football training only once rehab was completed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-United-boost-getting-ankle-cast-removed.html - cast actually came off on Nov 11. It's not been 2 weeks, so he would not be training with the team and he would not be reporting to Carrington because he is already under care for the recovery of injury outside.

United and Ole are well aware of what the timeline was and Ole describe the same as above as to what is going on. in fact Ole didn't think he would be available till middle to late December. Right now it's looking like it may be early December.

If you look at it objectively, football is littered with players with bigger injuries that get treated and rehab outside the confines of the club with specialists. The timing of the international break has nothing do with when they report, they report when they are supposed to. Dalot was out during the last intl break, he didn't report. Zlatan didn't report when he was going through his issues. Why? Because it's normal because while clubs do have medical staff and physio and such, when it comes to bigger issues, it is often taken outside.
Yet more apologist activism, if this was serious it would be treated in house. He’s taking the piss.
 

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He's still our player? I'm surprised, can't even remember his face anymore Bugba.
 

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Yet more apologist activism, if this was serious it would be treated in house. He’s taking the piss.
That's a new one, apologist activism, have to remember that one. Have to admit, your trolling got me, well done.
 

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Blue on derby day when he had been linked to city, feck me pogba apologists
Ok so first of all:

Pogba colored his hair 2 weeks prior to that match after being called to France Duty. Les Bleus as you know are Blue. Two weeks following, the color is washed down and sports a more teal appearance.

For reference, Manchester City's color is not blue, it's Sky Blue. Different blue variations. But since I apparently have nothing better to do at 1AM, I looked up Pogbas haircolor on the day in question. Pogbas hair is colored blonde, and the blue is added on top of the blue. After some washes the Dark blue changes color to lighter and lighter until it completely washes out and just blonde remains.

So that is that conspiracy solved
 

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Ok so first of all:

Pogba colored his hair 2 weeks prior to that match after being called to France Duty. Les Bleus as you know are Blue. Two weeks following, the color is washed down and sports a more teal appearance.

For reference, Manchester City's color is not blue, it's Sky Blue. Different blue variations. But since I apparently have nothing better to do at 1AM, I looked up Pogbas haircolor on the day in question. Pogbas hair is colored blonde, and the blue is added on top of the blue. After some washes the Dark blue changes color to lighter and lighter until it completely washes out and just blonde remains.

So that is that conspiracy solved
Jesus Christ I live in Manchester, the depth you apologists go to and look for to defend this absolute clown is amazing.

Would fergie have allowed him to play in a derby with that ridiculous haircut? No, so it should be the fecking standard.
 

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Ole came out in a presser recently saying he wanted his players to reign in their social media activity and to concentrate on football, so what does Pogba do, has a fecking video of his plaster-cast coming off, why he thought anybody would want to watch that is beyond me, and then a few days later another one showing him fannying around on a basketball court(or whatever the hell it was).

He obviously doesn't give two shits.
 

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Ole came out in a presser recently saying he wanted his players to reign in their social media activity and to concentrate on football, so what does Pogba do, has a fecking video of his plaster-cast coming off, why he thought anybody would want to watch that is beyond me, and then a few days later another one showing him fannying around on a basketball court(or whatever the hell it was).

He obviously doesn't give two shits.
You could at least wait until he's actually able to play football before having a moan about that.
 

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Being reported he's out for a few more weeks. Got a mate who works at OT and he told me a few weeks ago that it was common knowledge around the club that Pogba won't play again and is definitely off in January. I laughed it off at the time but I reckon he's right.