If, and it’s a big if, all the tales of Pogba swanning off to play in a charity game for his brother last weekend and then phoning in sick are true, then he should be ashamed of himself which he won’t be. His agent is looking after his own bank balance and wants some more outrageous commission by moving Pogba somewhere. I wouldn’t rate him as ‘one of the best midfielders in the world’, he’s not even the best in Manchester. Woodward likes the number of Pogba followers on Twitter, otherwise a strong management team would have jettisoned the bloke last season. Jim Ratcliffe was right about the running of the club i.e. very badly run. Tail wagging the dog. A club like United have got suitable replacements for long term injuries is bordering on criminal. The season is written off in my view. I hope I’m wrong but can’t see any inspiration coming from the board.
Is Pogba as good as gone?
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In hindsight he definitely made the right choice but at the time we didn't know it was SAFs last year and it was obvious we were crying out for a talented CM and Pogba certainly fitted the bill. A lot of fans (myself included) thought he was the one to make that CM spot his own and when he left it left a lot of bad feeling. Some of which I think is still around today. SAF wasn't perfect but I don't think he made a mistake with the Pogba/Raiola situation for the reasons I've already stated.
I'm pretty sure Fergie had announced his retirement before Pogba made a deal with Juventus. But I might be wrong.
It‘s actually not. In fact different doctors might indeed have different opinions about that.
His situation reminds me of Kawhi Leonards situation, WHEN he was at Spurs. Did play only 8 (out of 82) games for them, left the club and became the best Basketball player in the world - at the same time Spurs‘ medical staff could not find an actual injury.
It would be best for United if he left. He does not want to be there. As the world‘s most expensive player his impact has been barely noticeable, comparable to that of Lentini when he was the most expensive player on the planet.
Rushing back?
The prick didn't play since September he was out for 3 months.
If I remember correctly I think SAF announced his retirement after winning the league in the 2012/13 season. Pogba left before the season started.
Pogba left during summer 2012 not 2013.
The injury is from August and he went back in September.
Okay you're right.
They really did at first
No worries. If we want easier transfer dealings, better avoid Raoila altogether at the risk of missing out on some interesting players
What is the injury anyway.
Not a broken ankle.
Not ligaments.
What takes so long to fix?
So basically United fans say that Pogba is not good enough and does not merit his transfer and wages and then think it's disgraceful when he is vocal about moving clubs?
Did you miss some of the tweets Raiola has made, which goes well and beyond the typical "player wants to leave".
If I'm not mistaken it was an high ankle sprain, so ligaments. And based on reports from France from October, United medical staff thought that it wasn't a big deal and only recommended rest, when he came back he aggravated the injury and apparently had surgery on it.
Yes that’s why Pogba wants to leave because of fans moaning on forums, I would love him to be worth his fee and wages but pal it just ain’t happening, never did and never will especially from this point onwards.
I agree Raiola should shut up, but maybe making noise is the only way to force the club to sell him in the summer instead of wasting another season in his prime years playing for top 6 Man Utd.
The self-loathing of some ‘fans’ on here is getting ridiculous...
I find it hard to believe to be honest.
If the staff are that incompetent. But nothing would surprise me.
I think Pogba is hamming up a minor issue. I think his attitude is all wrong and one day in the future when people like Jose Mourinho start writing books we'll get the real story. The truth will come out.
Hasnt had surgery yet I believe. Again as stated earlier today, seemed to be moving around quite comfortably on 30th December in France. Was showing no limping, no favouring another leg.
You can make noise without talking a load of crap to the media. Many agents or players will just say "clubs are interested but player is happy for now" or "we shall see". Raiola however is taking it way too far.
I'm trying to be objective. Since Saf retirement we've generally been a top 6 club and Ole doesn't look like he's going to change that.
Why is it hard to believe he’s injured?
It’s the whole ‘we don’t deserve x’ attitude I don’t get from fans. Applies to all players but especially Pogba - we pay these players absolute fortunes, invest more into transfer fees, agents etc and collectively, these staff have failed miserably.
It’s the fans that don’t deserve this. Pogba signed a deal, is paid handsomely, despite him being part of a failing squad, with question marks about his attitude etc. Even if these questions are completely unfounded, his duty is when fit to play to the best of his ability for as long as he’s at the club. I don’t feel sorry for him at all and he deserves no more.
It's not necessarily incompetency, these things happen because you don't necessarily see everything on imagery and players aren't always truthful when it comes to pain or discomfort. You see these things all the time in the NFL mainly because injury reports are more of a thing. This year I have seen a player try to comeback twice from an hamstring injury, he eventually missed two months because he was telling the physios that he was fine and would try to play.
I think you're underestimating the impact it had. Juventus are a mid sized club by European standards. Its stadium has a capacity of just 41k and it had been recently built. Previously they had to depend on the government to provide them with a stadium with part of their profit going to them. Their merchandising/sponsorship are on the rise but nowhere near to that of Manchester United or Real. Attracting players with that wow factor is difficult for them and Pogba provided that. He was the best AM in the Serie A, he was one of the few truly WC players they had and he was a money generating machine. His loss hit not only Juventus prestige and coffers but also had an impact on their other players as well. Dybala's performance for example took a massive dip since he left and he only started recovering this season.
I tend to get alot of slack for mentioning them but I believe that their setup is the way for us to go. Their strength lie not on their financial muscle but their ability to hire the right people at the right places out of pure meritocracy. They do make mistakes of course and I think that this obsession with the CL is hurting them. However you have to admit that for a club to constantly remain title winners/contenders for 90 years then surely they must be doing something right. In my opinion, the Juventus way is the one of the only two ways United can follow to remain competitive against the oil rich clubs. The alternative is to join the oil rich brigade themselves.
Totally agree, this place is literally painful to read.
Saying Pogba should leave because we are only a top 6 team is such a childish reaction.
It smacks of self loathing teenagers going through puberty... ‘Im useless, why do you even bother with me!? Go find somebody better, I’ll never amount to anything’.
Woe is me.
These types really are the life and soul of the caf party.
Pogba is treating us like shit however it was naive for us to keep him here especially since
a- he wanted to leave
b- we allowed Lukaku (who also wanted to leave) to go but not him.
The problem with United isn't Pogba or Ole. In my opinion they are symptoms of the problem rather then the problem itself. Our main problem is Woodward or/and the Glazers. We can never run this club efficiently if its only able to sign just 3 players per year (as stated by Woodward himself). In such circumstances then we would have no choice but to force players to stay with us against their will or/and keep giving long term contract to players who can't be bothered/aren't good enough.
I don't feel sorry for him either. I think we should just sell him. It's what the fans want and it's what he wants.
He's injured. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Hasn't ever made a transfer request. His agent is a prick but that's his agent.
Maybe you should look at it from the POV of the footballers who want to do what's best for their career.Totally agree, this place is literally painful to read.
Saying Pogba should leave because we are only a top 6 team is such a childish reaction.
It smacks of self loathing teenagers going through puberty... ‘Im useless, why do you even bother with me!? Go find somebody better, I’ll never amount to anything’.
Woe is me.
These types really are the life and soul of the caf party.
This is how I feel, too. Maybe not the whole injury thing, but it feels more like protecting asset.
Well we’re in agreement here.
I know you said it tongue in cheek but I'd very happily go down that path. As JPRouve has already mentioned his stable isn't all that big and if we never have to deal with him again it would be way too soon. Maybe not for his clients but for the rest of the footballing world the man is pure toxic.
He’s off, don’t blame him either! I personally wouldn’t want to waste my prime in a team still trying to figure how to win against relegation fodder.
The rest of the footballing world doesn't care, they are even more toxic and when people are happy to deal with Mendes or praise him when everyone knows well that he does the same things that Raiola does with the small difference that because Gestifute is far bigger they simply use reporters to do their dirty job. The worst part about all of this is that it shows how gullible some of you are, Raiola isn't a particular problem for the football world, he is simple member of that world. People should remember that we have agents involved in bribery like Bernes, exploitation of african kids, tax evasion and third party ownership like Gestifute, gamble with for example some of the Belgian agents. And that's without even mentioning respectable organizations such as FIFA and the UEFA. And people are worried about a rude dutch-italian.
That's true, but like I said, I strongly dislike Raiola anyway.
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This was what I was talking about in my post, I believe Raiola has a few issues with FIFA and they recently revoked his license as an agent, though it lasted only a few months, if I remember correctly.
Pogba went to Juve in 2012.
Re: what Raiola said re Ajax getting 150 million for 2 players
Ajax spend millions in developing players and out of all the players only a handful are worth millions - and income from these makes up for the costs incurred to maintain academy.
Raiola on.the other hand takes huge amount of money just to ease the transfer from one club to another - something a simple lawyer can do at a much lower fee.
What is his contribution to the world of football? He s just a sucker
I know what you are referring to and it was about third party ownership, the tweet even tells you that he is talking about the Pogba deal.