Is Pogba as good as gone?

[Maluco]

I actually think this is pretty cut and dry. It’s pretty obvious he is not 100% committed to the team. We can debate about his merits and consistency as a performer all we want, but he has never really been given a proper chance in a quality set-up under a capable, modern manager.

It doesn’t really matter whose fault it is at this stage, all that matters is that he doesn’t fully want to be here and that should be the end of it.

United are a massive club that, for me, has always stood out for how classy they were. No need to degrade ourselves and pander to someone who doesn’t want to be here. No need to slander or get angry about it either.

Shake his hand, get what we can for him, and invest that money bringing in a few quality young players who are excited to play for United.

Ole isn’t good enough for me, but if he leaves a squad for the next manager that is hungry and happy to be at such a massive club, this process will probably have been worth it.

 

[Gehrman]

Because he has better teammates since 2016 but even then he is inconsistent, generally he plays well when the team as a whole plays well.

That really applies to a lot of players. Even the good ones. Pogba is not a 1 man midfield. He flourishes when plays with team mates that compliment him.

 

[Gehrman]

Incorrect. I would have every sympathy for him wanting to leave if he only gave his all for the club whilst he waits for his move. Bit like Coutinho did for Liverpool.

Pogba doesn't give a rats about us though. All this injury malarky is false. He looked fine on the dancefloor and on the basketball court. Didn't look remotely struggling when he played those 45 mins either the other day. Didn't see him holding his ankle once or look in pain.

Jose was right. He's a massive virus and the sooner he goes the better.

Liverpool were calling Coutinho a cnut as well and he was forcing a move. Shock and horror, players who want to pursue their dreams and ambitions.

 

[JPRouve]

Why should I stop? It's just a theory to amuse myself, he was born there and his deals are always shady in my eyes.

His work started in Italy with players like Rijkard, Bergkamp and most notably Nedved and Ibrahimovic. He may hate the Italian FA, but his best work has been done based in there, with numerous high profile transfer in and out of Italy.

As an agent his work started in Netherland working for the dutch agency Sport-promotions before that he was working for Haarlem.

 

[JPRouve]

That really applies to a lot of players. Even the good ones. Pogba is not a 1 man midfield. He flourishes when plays with team mates that compliment him.

I know but it doesn't help when people overrate his performances for others and underrate them for us. It fuels the narrative that he purposely underperforms.

 

[DoomSlayer]

As an agent his work started in Netherland working for the dutch agency Sport-promotions before that he was working for Haarlem.

Thanks for the information, I didn't know this but it doesn't change the fact that Raiola is a fat shady twat in my eyes.

 

[Gehrman]

I know but it doesn't help when people overrate his performances for others and underrate them for us. It fuels the narrative that he purposely underperforms.

Well I generally agree.

 

[clarkydaz]

Why the feck is his agent attacking us non stop these days anyway ? Either he tells him to shut up or it's just a big plan from both of them to force his way out.

He is forcing the move mudslinging making pogba staying very unpopular.

The guy is fecking shameless slagging the club off that pays him insane money and now even bringing up fergie. Absolute shitstain

 

[RoyH1]

Raiola is desperately trying to get United to sell. The problem is that the more noise he makes, the less likely teams outside Italy are going to touch Pogba. Is the juice worth the squeeze they will ask

 

[djembatheking]

I don`t understand why Pogba doesn`t tell Raiola to shut the feck up and stop stirring things up or just sack him and get a new agent, I mean Raiola works for Pogba surely, not the other way round.

 

[JPRouve]

Thanks for the information, I didn't know this but it doesn't change the fact that Raiola is a fat shady twat in my eyes.

And that's a fair first impression.

But in reality when you look at his client's careers, as a whole they make perfect sense. None of his clients play above or below their levels, they rarely make damaging moves and all the players that can make money and win trophies are in the situation where they have both. Which isn't necessarily the case with all agents, Mendes being an example of that, some of his clients moved to clubs where they have no business to play, I saw that a lot at Monaco, they also tend to move a lot more than Raiola's clients.

 

[Focusmate]

I don`t understand why Pogba doesn`t tell Raiola to shut the feck up and stop stirring things up or just sack him and get a new agent, I mean Raiola works for Pogba surely, not the other way round.

Because Raiola is 100% speaking for Pogba. Hes not doing a solo run! Its an agents job to take the heat for the player in these sort of circumstances.
Easier than Pogba coming out with it especially when he might be forced to stay if noone bids for him. It might be in Pogbas interest to play a few games before Euro 2020 and less bridges burnt if the agent is the one shit talking

 

[fergiesarmy1]

I don`t understand why Pogba doesn`t tell Raiola to shut the feck up and stop stirring things up or just sack him and get a new agent, I mean Raiola works for Pogba surely, not the other way round.

Money, lots of it. Read Pogba is worth £85 million already. Not enough obviously.

 

[Amerifan]

I don`t understand why Pogba doesn`t tell Raiola to shut the feck up and stop stirring things up or just sack him and get a new agent, I mean Raiola works for Pogba surely, not the other way round.

This is my only complaint with Pogba. Associating himself with Raiola was profitable, certainly, but at this point he doesn’t need him.

 

[djembatheking]

Money, lots of it. Read Pogba is worth £85 million already. Not enough obviously.

Yep, it was a question I already knew the answer to but the FC Pogba brigade avoid answering it. In my book it is extremely unprofessional allowing your agent to spout shite about the club that invested so much into you.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Do you honestly think he's faking an injury?

Do you not? Hahahaha

 

[HackeyC]

Indeed well played. We have another year extension option. So it's more than 18 months left.

My fault, didn't realise we had an option to take it to 6 years!

 

[AshRK]

He is a very good player but he has brought a lot of hassle and distraction for the club. His agent has been speaking bs for the whole time and then we have our ex players who have been targeting him and his agent. It has all gone wrong with him and us. Was never meant to work out. Will sell him off and build a new midfield.

 

[caid]

I'd be inclined to get rid of him if or when we get a reasonable offer. Raiola is a nuisance and the constant speculation is problematic. Pogba doesn't look that committed, his form has never been that good for us and he's quite hard to accommodate in a team.
I'd be moving on and buying players with a Fred, McTominay midfield in mind. They'd benefit from different players than a Pogba midfield would. We need to spend now, waiting and hoping for Pogba to come back and solve our midfield would just be really foolish at this point.

 

[Gehrman]

Do you not? Hahahaha

No, I don't. I think he would rather play football than watch our games in surgery room in hospital.

 

[DoomSlayer]

And that's a fair first impression.

But in reality when you look at his client's careers, as a whole they make perfect sense. None of his clients play above or below their levels, they rarely make damaging moves and all the players that can make money and win trophies are in the situation where they have both. Which isn't necessarily the case with all agents, Mendes being an example of that, some of his clients moved to clubs where they have no business to play, I saw that a lot at Monaco, they also tend to move a lot more than Raiola's clients.

I get what you are saying, but football makes a person be emotionally invested. I can't look at Raiola rationally after all the shite he has been saying about our club, it's too personal for me. Same thing was with Mourinho.

They have their undeniable abilities, but it will always give me a boost to see them miserable or not doing well in their respective profession. I just think that if everything is looked from a logical point of view, without emotion, people would generally only be fans of current best teams and players. I prefer to remain at least a bit reactionary to football or I will lose the last bit of love I have for this sport.

 

[kouroux]

Yep, people like you at the bottom. Need more supporters like you pal

Fergie called it right years ago when he called this cnut a shitbag and told him to take Pogba with him.

Every move he has made, from Le Havre to Utd to Juve to Utd and whoever is stupid enough to take him on next, has been antagonistic and shrouded with animosity.

feck the pair of them off.

The move from Juve to United didn't have any issue. Juventus laughed all the way to the bank

 

[DoomSlayer]

The move from Juve to United didn't have any issue. Juventus laughed all the way to the bank

But who cares about Juventus, apart from @devilish?

 

[kouroux]

But who cares about Juventus, apart from @devilish?

It was a slight correction is all.

 

[DoomSlayer]

It was a slight correction is all.

Sorry, I misunderstood your post. I'd still say there was an issue for us in that case, because the transfer went notorious for the fee paid to Raiola and it made us look like right mugs in the public eye, yet again.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

No, I don't. I think he would rather play football than watch our games in surgery room in hospital.

Or Dubai or Miami or Paris? He did seem very sad about it all

 

[Gehrman]

Or Dubai or Miami or Paris? He did seem very sad about it all

I'm not really following you?

 

[izzydiggler]

Sorry, I misunderstood your post. I'd still say there was an issue for us in that case, because the transfer went notorious for the fee paid to Raiola and it made us look like right mugs in the public eye, yet again.

Who knows what's true but didn't Juventus announce they paid the agent fees in their end of year finances or similar?

 

[JPRouve]

Sorry, I misunderstood your post. I'd still say there was an issue for us in that case, because the transfer went notorious for the fee paid to Raiola and it made us look like right mugs in the public eye, yet again.

I have seen people make that claim. Did you guys missed that Juventus are the ones that paid the better part of it, 27m, which was owed to Raiola and Pogba.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

I'm not really following you?

Really? That he didn’t seem so sad about playing for the last 3 months but now will be for the operation. I’m sure he will be recouping somewhere nicer than Manchester general

 

[DoomSlayer]

I have seen people make that claim. Did you guys missed that Juventus are the ones that paid the better part of it, 27m, which was owed to Raiola and Pogba.

You see, I worded my post very specifically to not mention who exactly paid anything to Raiola because I know there are many conflicting reports on that situation.

In the end though, most of the media shit was thrown at us for bending over Raiola, whether that is a fact or not, it doesn't matter because the spin that deal got was again negative towards United. It even became a huge FIFA problem, if I'm not mistaken and just today or yesterday Raiola spoke about the issues he has with FIFA.

 

[Gehrman]

Really? That he didn’t seem so sad about playing for the last 3 months but now will be for the operation. I’m sure he will be recouping somewhere nicer than Manchester general

Do you want him to lie at home in his bedroom for 3 months and not see any of his friends or have fun in his life?

 

[fergiesarmy1]

Do you want him to lie atm in his bedroom for 3 months and not see any of his friends or have fun in his life?

I expect him to be a professional footballer and report for duty like everyone else not galavant round the world while picking up a £1,256,000 a month salary then declare his people say he now needs an operation.

 

[Gehrman]

I expect him to be a professional footballer and report for duty like everyone else not galavant round the world while picking up a £1,256,000 a month salary then declare his people say he now needs an operation.

And if his injuries permit him from participating in training? Pogba's private life really is his business.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

No, I don't. I think he would rather play football than watch our games in surgery room in hospital.

Don't you think this whole situation has been fishy from the start? Way too much gone on for this to be a legit injury and he's had three and bit months to get an operation. Why was he dancing around on it no issues then also? Didn't look like somebody who needed an operation on his ankle. He's playing us for fools for sure.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

And if his injuries permit him from participating in training? Pogba's private life really is his business.

His private life is his after he’s either played, trained or received treatment, no player contract says if your injured don’t worry go off and do your own thing. That would lead to anarchy.

 

[Gehrman]

Don't you think this whole situation has been fishy from the start? Way too much gone on for this to be a legit injury and he's had three and bit months to get an operation. Why was he dancing around on it no issues then also? Didn't look like somebody who needed an operation on his ankle. He's playing us for fools for sure.

Having an injury that is preventing you from playing football at the very highest level at the highest intensity does not mean you're stuck in a wheelchair or you have walk on crotches.

 

[JPRouve]

You see, I worded my post very specifically to not mention who exactly paid anything to Raiola because I know there are many conflicting reports on that situation.

In the end though, most of the media shit was thrown at us for bending over Raiola, whether that is a fact or not, it doesn't matter because the spin that deal got was again negative towards United. It even became a huge FIFA problem, if I'm not mistaken and just today or yesterday Raiola spoke about the issues he has with FIFA.

We looked like mugs because the british press wanted to turn it that way, "Oh look United are mugs", they did the same thing with Martial, "Martial what a waste of money" and I don't see anyone turning it into something about his agents or Martial. And it didn't became a huge FIFA problem, they simply checked whether it was a third party deal which it wasn't.

 

[Judas]

I think if you fully believe he's never been injured this entire time you're blinkered and spend too much time on the internet, either on here or on nutty conspiracy theory websites.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Having an injury that is preventing you from playing football at the very highest level at the highest intensity does not mean you're stuck in a wheelchair or you have walk on crotches.

Can I interest you in some magic beans?