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Ukraine didn't vote for this? Really?
That scumbag Zelenskyy has been one of the biggest Israeli cheerleaders during this war.
Zelensky is a Zionist.
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I just wonder how they know that. with that precision...like the derail topic...how they know about the WMD
Or maybe receive help from Israel? that is why hamas had been moscow...
Being a jew doesn't make you a Zionist. and Ukraine/US/Israel vs Russia Hamas makes sense on war interests
How can you say you're not anti semitic with a straight face? You sound like Russian Vatniks.
Ukraine obviously wants Israel to pick its side in the conflict against russia, and supply it weapons/aid. It's long been a frustration for the US/Ukraine.
Oh, yes, I remember the Judith Miller days fondly. And that one NYT or WaPo reporter who would go on coke benders every Friday afternoon at 500P & just concoct the most unbelievable shit (might not have been on the Iraq War specifically, but I wish I remembered his name as he was something else )The mainstream media were bulling for the war too. They knew that it was BS but they reported it anyway. They lost a lot of credibility there.
Most thinking people knew there was no Iraqi connection to 9/11 and that even IF Saddam had WMDs wtf did the US care? They also certainly didn’t care if he gassed his own people like they said they did
He’s openly talked about Israel on numerous occasions being an inspiration for Ukraine in their fight vs Russia, so he definitely believes in the ‘State’. He’s also sent Ukrainian Jews to Israel since the war began to settle on occupied land in the Golan Heights. He’s definitely a Zionist.
You'd think with the amount of stuff they know about Hamas you would've thought they'd know about the attack in the first place.
There’s no doubt Israel has & has had Palestinian double agents for decades as well as Israeli NOCs. Most all of this type of intel is HUMINT.
Hamas went extremely decentralized in the lead up to the attack & also went extremely anachronistic. Their old school spy methods completely blindsided all of Israel’s $ & effort going so high tech.
So how come they didn't know of Octrober 7th, So why the need of bombing indiscriminately. Can't be one or the other
He is looking after Ukraine's survivability. He would pact with the devil if needed. If it would be me in his situation, I would praise them also. Iron dome technology in Ukraine could save a lot of lives for example
Not the place to rant about it, but I'm convinced that Israels ISR is shit currently. Degraded by years of sycophants in key positions, idf departmental infighting, complacency and bibis bs.
Evidence: The disgrace of a bombing campaign and the initial attack. Am sure the US is now doing much of the targeting for them.
Many members of Hamas didn't know about it until just before the attack apparently. It was the only way to keep it secret so Israeli intelligence on the ground and listening to calls wouldn't pick it up until it was too late.
See my post immediately above yours. Hamas played a spy trade blinder.
The bombing discussion will just go round & round.
Sorry what is this about? Genuinely can’t find any reference to it via google.
Sure, but they know all what they have in the tunnels. If they stock for the event, they shouldn't know with such precision. Can't be both. Also, why the bombing if their network is so good?
But if their goal is eliminate Hamas, they should know the tunnels and much more so they would not need the bombing. Doesn't add up. And lying is so prominent in this propaganda warfare. Has to be one or the other, or they know or they don't know
Or they know and they are evil killing civilians or they don't know and they are playing the propaganda of accusing Hamas of being well stock while the population dies of starvation. It might well be, because you know, Hamas are a terroist group, but they shouldn't know to throw articles around
Again, one or the other
On Sunday, the World Zionist Organization’s Settlement Division – which is funded by the Israeli government and falls under its direct control – announced the building of 1,000 housing structures for Ukrainian Jewish families in both Israel and settlements in the illegally occupied Palestinian territories.
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/3/4/israel-ukraine
Meanwhile, the World Zionist Organization’s Settlement Division has begun preparing1000 housing units for Ukrainian Jews on stolen and occupied Palestinian and Syrian land in the occupied West Bank and the occupied Golan Heights.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-zelensky-ukrainian-jewish-role-dispossession
Hamas aren't all underground. There are tens of thousands of troops waiting for the Israelis to invade who are above ground, so building are obviously going to be at risk if the Israelis think they are being used as command centers, staging points, or post invasion as sniper points.
You could cite so many other examples. There’s a reason he name checked Israel specifically.
having a good network != omniscient
It would be impossible to map up three hundred plus miles of tunnels simply by word of mouth alone even over two decades of information. It just doesn't work that way.
How else would a tunnel entrance / ventilation shaft duct be dealt with if it wasn't via ordnance?
You seem to be conflating a couple of things here. And it's not a zero sum exercise.
Air support deals with targets you know; then you go in on the ground to deal with targets you don't. They will know about some of the tunnels and caches (there's videos of them hitting them on twitter) but not the vast majority.
And the US will now be providing them with target packages, which they didn't have before. (They lack some capabilities that the US has in long range detection)
This isn't 'precision,' it's an estimated guess of stockpiles through intelligence. Everything is a guess.
Just because an article says that there are medical supplies down a tunnel isn't precise in the broadest sense of the term.
Nothing about Zelensky sending them in either of those articles (the Massad one is ridiculous in any case).
...you know...Deals with targets of 3000 children and 2000 women...you know... Great targets
Exactly. A guess, But is not known. and how you can guess medical supplies and water because of the tunnels? Propaganda
Dont understand this point. Genuinely. Please elaborate
They’re being sent as refugees by Ukraine. Refugees on stolen land. That’s the point. If Zelensky didn’t believe in Israel as it stands he wouldn’t let Ukrainians live on stolen land especially considering he’s fighting Russia from doing the same thing.
Why did he mention Israel and not say Ireland?
So Zelensky controls where Ukrainian refugees flee to?
Even if he believes in it, and even if he sent them personally, and even if he's a zionist, it a) doesn't mean he's supporting palestinians being killed b) he personally dictates ukraines foreign policy because hes a big bad jew.
You're literally using Russian antisemitic tropes on zelensky. There's a very strange congruence between russian supporters and palestinian supporters being bedfellows.
He has some control, of course. How do you think it was only Ukrainian Jews that were given passage to Israel and not any Ukrainian non Jews? And if he specifically name checks Israel as an inspiration in their war with Russia then that’s undoubtedly a factor.
1. Jews have an automatic right to go there
2. Israel took non jewish Ukrainians too
3. No, he doesnt control where the refugees are going. He has more important things to do.
4. Admiring Israel doesn't lead to any causation.
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