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Has anyone discussed that it was Putin's birthday today (yesterday in Europe and beyond to the East)? I don't think this is a coincidence with the date of the attack.
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Hamas are already winners in their minds. This was their Champions League trophy. For them, it doesn't matter so much what happens next. There is no point looking for rational explanations when you are faced with fanatics, especially with religious fanatics like Hamas, ISIS, Taliban, etc.I'm really not sure I buy this whole 'Hamas has miscalculated' viewpoint. I can't see any way that they'd have thought that a death toll in the hundreds, potentially even a thousand or more, along with taking maybe 100 hostages, would lead to anything other than the most extreme possible response from the Israelis. They are well aware how strong the response will be. On some level I think they've come to the conclusion that this was their best course of action, despite the consequences.
Care to explain why?What a dumb cnut.
Apartheid aside, looks like Israeli intelligence, military, and their civilian leaders fecked up massively. You can almost guarantee part of the response will be overcorrecting for the massive SNAFUWe don’t know yet exactly how this could have happened. The perimeter fence is equipped with a sensor and camera array. Any passing tractor getting near it puts the army on high alert. What happened to the sensors? Moreover, civilians near the border have been complaining for more than a month of large-scale Hamas drills taking place very near the fence. Did nobody else see it?
Agreed.The problem is that the mass media legitimise the actions of the israeli colonialists, brushing off any and all atrocities done by the israeli terrorists to the Gaza population. Until reporting is done fairly, which won't ever happen, the conflict will go around in circles and israeli state terrorists will act with impunity murdering women and children.
Poor timing and, especially, poor optics. It's not a coincidence that almost no serious Western politician spoke about Palestinians today of all days.Care to explain why?
Or are Palestinians not deserving of sympathy too?
Agreed. The Israelis will treat this as their 9/11 - Pearl Harbor and will go in with overwhelming force, which will probably end up with them being criticized for being too heavy handed.https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-day-israel-changed-forever?ref=scroll
Apartheid aside, looks like Israeli intelligence, military, and their civilian leaders fecked up massively. You can almost guarantee part of the response will be overcorrecting for the massive SNAFU
Case in point: this happened yesterdayThe problem is that the mass media legitimise the actions of the israeli colonialists, brushing off any and all atrocities done by the israeli terrorists to the Gaza population. Until reporting is done fairly, which won't ever happen, the conflict will go around in circles and israeli state terrorists will act with impunity murdering women and children.
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That's just cowardice by politicians afraid to be seen to say the wrong thing, as far as I'm concerned. To me there shouldn't be anything wrong with expressing sympathy for any and all civilian casualties and to say so is a little odd to me.Poor timing and, especially, poor optics. It's not a coincidence that almost no serious Western politician spoke about Palestinians today of all days.
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This government likely would but I think that would make it worse. It could be there 9/11 both in terms of their reaction and the failure of it.Agreed. The Israelis will treat this as their 9/11 - Pearl Harbor and will go in with overwhelming force, which will probably end up with them being criticized for being too heavy handed.
It is stunning how much they've been caught by surprise. I don't think he'll be able to survive it though. If a far right leader can't even keep his people safe, what good is he? "Netanyahu was busy with his legal problems and didn't pay attention to Hamas" seems like such an easy attack line for the opposition.Can't help but feel this is all a little convenient for Netanyahu again. It has shades of something a Putin would do to distract from the internal criticisms of taking a country into dictatorship. A political game as old as time. Sure some corners are criticizing him for the lapse in security but I have no faith he won't turn this into his favor. Hopefully the opposition in Israel will use this to their advantage and put an end to what he's trying to do internally.
Let me get this straight., so 200 plus Israeli citizens should die because of the governments faults? Great stuff man, that’s so logical. It’s going to lead to peace, right? Parading the German girls dead body around, how’s that going to do anything either?The problem is that the mass media legitimise the actions of the israeli colonialists, brushing off any and all atrocities done by the israeli terrorists to the Gaza population. Until reporting is done fairly, which won't ever happen, the conflict will go around in circles and israeli state terrorists will act with impunity murdering women and children.
It is really quite astonishing and shameless how rapidly people on the right of the spectrum are turning this into a left vs right culture war item. And yes im aware he's anti Putin.
Exasperating as hell...
That explains it then. It's just the annual Hamas killing spree to celebrate Putin's birthday.Has anyone discussed that it was Putin's birthday today (yesterday in Europe and beyond to the East)? I don't think this is a coincidence with the date of the attack.
I chuckled.That explains it then. It's just the annual Hamas killing spree to celebrate Putin's birthday.
I went through his timeline and not one tweet he could spare ( saw about 30 and gave up) for the victims of today’s barbaric attack. Says a lot about the person.
Some Israelis here celebrating Putin’s birthday.Has anyone discussed that it was Putin's birthday today (yesterday in Europe and beyond to the East)? I don't think this is a coincidence with the date of the attack.
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Saw a tweet earlier about a retired IDF general complaining that the vast majority of the army had been moved into the West Bank to protect the ever-expanding settlements and left the area around Gaza undermanned. He's a vocal Bibi critic, but, if what he says is accurate, it's entirely because of the far right government.https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-day-israel-changed-forever?ref=scroll
Apartheid aside, looks like Israeli intelligence, military, and their civilian leaders fecked up massively. You can almost guarantee part of the response will be overcorrecting for the massive SNAFU
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And they won't care. After both Pearl Harbor (internship of Japanese) and 9/11 (invasions) they took drastic action, and the majority of the population not only supported, but demanded it. In Israel this will be a signal that they have given Hamas too much freedom, and need correction. The Israeli government have already effectively fallen and we'll likely see a new one in 48 hours comprising a broad spectrum of opposition. They will commit many war crimes, and it'll be discussed for decades. But in the moment, most citizens will support it.Agreed. The Israelis will treat this as their 9/11 - Pearl Harbor and will go in with overwhelming force, which will probably end up with them being criticized for being too heavy handed.
See above; gov is effectively dead. And he's right.Saw a tweet earlier about a retired IDF general complaining that the vast majority of the army had been moved into the West Bank to protect the ever-expanding settlements and left the area around Gaza undermanned. He's a vocal Bibi critic, but, if what he says is accurate, it's entirely because of the far right government.
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She held an Israeli passport and has pictures on her Instagram supporting the IDF, where she talks about remembering those killed by 'terrorist organizations'. As completely sad and unjustified it is for her to die and be paraded disgracefully, let's not lie and paint her as some foreigner who wanted peace with the music festival to try and entice people to stop supporting Palestine's cause.
Let me guess, he's completely removed from the consequences of this and won't be dealing with the aftermath?
Quite poignant given her cause of death, and not an unfair point of view....She held an Israeli passport and has pictures on her Instagram supporting the IDF, where she talks about remembering those killed by 'terrorist organizations'. As completely sad and unjustified it is for her to die and be paraded disgracefully, let's not lie and paint her as some foreigner who wanted peace with the music festival to try and entice people to stop supporting Palestine's cause.
That being said, the pictures are dated to 2016 so it could well be she changed her stance. Can't disregard that.
There's strong support for this action inside Gaza too. They see the incursion and the responses as disconnected; that Israel would do it to them anyway, and it'll just be more intensive for a bit.Let me guess, he's completely removed from the consequences of this and won't be dealing with the aftermath?
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I'd love to be more erudite and sophisticated but it really is both sides.
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The absolute bottom of the barrel of barbarism. They themselves provoked the ruins Gaza will be turned into and the new occupation, but Hamas knew this of course and they don't care. This fact alone is enough to see through their hypocracy about their fight for a free Palestina. They just want to fight, like every good barbarian in the stone age. There's nothing more to it.
So what should Israel do? Come on. Say it.Tweet
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The absolute bottom of the barrel of barbarism. They themselves provoked the ruins Gaza will be turned into and the most likely new occupation, but Hamas knew this of course and they don't care. This fact alone is enough to see through their hypocracy about their fight for a free Palestina. They just want to fight, like every good barbarian in the stone age.
It really isn’t.I'd love to be more erudite and sophisticated but it really is both sides.
Well some fella said it here last night, they said Gaza deserves the Dresden treatment.So what should Israel do? Come on. Say it.
No? Both sides don't end up doing barbaric things?It really isn’t.
For the time being these type of clips will raise some sympathy, sure enough.Tweet
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The absolute bottom of the barrel of barbarism. They themselves provoked the ruins Gaza will be turned into and the most likely new occupation, but Hamas knew this of course and they don't care. This fact alone is enough to see through their hypocracy about their fight for a free Palestina. They just want to fight, like every good barbarian in the stone age.
Which they will do in a non barbaric way if courseWell some fella said it here last night, they said Gaza deserves the Dresden treatment.
I went through your posts in this thread and not one post could you spare for Palestinian victims of past Israeli attacks. Says a lot about a poster.I went through his timeline and not one tweet he could spare ( saw about 30 and gave up) for the victims of today’s barbaric attack. Says a lot about the person.