Giggsyking
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from 12:00, His stance is much more better than any other republican, and most of the democrats.
Your first paragraph is absolutely correct. Any discussion saying that if Hamas wasn't in Gaza that Israel would pursue a 2 state solution falls flat when you point to the West Bank. If you want to see how Israel would treat a Gaza without Hamas, you literally have an example in the West Bank. Those arguing in favour of Israel know this though, which makes any argument regarding Israel pursuing a true 2 state solution disingenuous.I think if the objective was peace for Israel and Israelis, they could get halfway there by working with the PA and having an agreed solution for the WB specifically. The optics would all be in Israel's favour as well if they were seen to be working well with the PA, and not Hamas, don't you think?
The reason I don't believe a two state solution, or even a peaceful one for Palestinians has ever been on the cards for Israel is because of their conduct in the WB.
Agree with you on Bibi but I don't think things would change if he wasn't on the scene either although he's undoubtedly made a difficult situation 10x worse.
Are you sure you're quoting the right bit? All I'm hearing is the same usual GOP Mortal Kombat esque bravado of 'FINISH THEM!' without any real input into the broader situation.
from 12:00, His stance is much more better than any other republican, and most of the democrats.
They same can be said about the Palestinian's trust in an Israeli state when their leaders show maps of their land being stolen and the indigenous people of the land exterminated.It is a wise assumption that is grounded in truth given that Hamas leadership continue to deny Israel's very right to exist. So not only would they never be allowed to be in charge of a nation neighboring Israel, but even if such a delusionally far fetched scenario were to somehow happen, they would by definition not do so peacefully. All of which is of course a moot point given they are about to go out of business.
The argument was if Trump was any better, listening to those above, makes Trumps comment looks more balanced.Are you sure you're quoting the right bit? All I'm hearing is the same usual GOP Mortal Kombat esque bravado of 'FINISH THEM!' without any real input into the broader situation.
Point taken, but as mentioned above, this isn't an equal relationship. The power rests solely with the Israeli side, so any movement towards negotiations has to be built atop assurances they couldn't be attacked by a future Palestinian state. This is why Hamas being involved in any of this was never going to result in anything other than their own demise.They same can be said about the Palestinian's trust in an Israeli state when their leaders show maps of their land being stolen and the indigenous people of the land exterminated.
Not that they can, but hypothetically speaking, do the the Palestinians have the right to remove the Israeli state and insure that a government in the state next door is nothing like the past terrorists governments in the past 7 decades ?
Or this only work one side?
Ah fair, I misunderstood.The argument was if Trump was any better, listening to those above, makes Trumps comment looks more balanced.
This could also be applied to Democrats. Biden's policy is probably not very far off from what the R candidates are saying. He just doesn't talk about it as bombastically as they do.The argument was if Trump was any better, listening to those above, makes Trumps comment looks more balanced.
Things should not be left to the Israelis and the Palestinians alone to solve it. In the past 2 decades there have not been enough international effort to solve the conflict. The US has the biggest responsibility to take a step backward from the blind support of Israel and act more in line with the interest of both the Palestinian and Israeli people and try to reach a just solution to the conflict.Point taken, but as mentioned above, this isn't an equal relationship. The power rests solely with the Israeli side, so any movement towards negotiations has to be built atop assurances they couldn't be attacked by a future Palestinian state. This is why Hamas being involved in any of this was never going to result in anything other than their own demise.
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I am forced to think if Trump was in charge may be so many children wouldn't have been killed. Quite likely not but this is more balanced than Biden for sure.
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Another Nasrallah speech coming tomorrow after today’s escalation on the Lebanese border - https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/10/israel-kills-more-hezbollah-fighters-border-lebanon
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What adjective do you use to describe IDF officials who authorize the bombing of hospitals, refugee camps and other civilian infrastructure?
Has anyone authorized the bombing of a hospital?
The USA are providing 14 billion dollars per year support for Israel. They are key to any peace.Things should not be left to the Israelis and the Palestinians alone to solve it. In the past 2 decades there have not been enough international effort to solve the conflict. The US has the biggest responsibility to take a step backward from the blind support of Israel and act more in line with the interest of both the Palestinian and Israeli people and try to reach a just solution to the conflict.
If we say it starts with excluding Hamas and people like Netanyahu. And if Hamas is out of the picture say by next year, do you think anything will change in the lives of the Palestinians in Gaza or the WB? I really doubt that.
That's the recent package being discussed in congress. 2022 was 3bn as far as I can tell.The USA are providing 14 billion dollars per year support for Israel. They are key to any peace.
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These are the voices that need to be amplified.I really don't like to resort to Piers Morgan, but there's another interviewee one should listen to.
He's a Palestinian doctor who not only lost 25 members of his family since 7/10 but also three daughters and a niece in the 2009 Gaza War, when an Israeli tank shelled his home. Even then, he's still an advocate of peace and reconciliation, and an example of what it means to live as a Palestinian in Gaza.
"Listen to us, don't hear about us".
What year exactly did Israel turn into an apartheid state? 1948? Surely not. 1967?Israel were an apartheid state and against a 2 state solution decades before Hamas was created, Hamas is the least supported group among palestinians and Israel is partially led by religious and zionist extremists who on average kill and injure more palestinians than palestinians kill or injure israeli.
I don't know if it answers your questions but that's the wider context.
This is what an insincere question looks like.What year exactly did Israel turn into an apartheid state? 1948? Surely not. 1967?
Tons of tweets out there claiming it was Hamas that started shooting at civilians to prevent them from leaving. The same Hamas that’s not allowing civilians to seek shelter in 500km of tunnels.Tweet
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What year exactly did Israel turn into an apartheid state? It cannot possibly be 1948. Was it after 1967? 1973?This is what an insincere question looks like.
It was all of those.What year exactly did Israel turn into an apartheid state? It cannot possibly be 1948. Was it after 1967? 1973?
oooh almost 10x, exciting!The number of people killed in Gaza by Israeli military actions since the start of the war on 7 October has risen to 11,078, including 4,506 children, according to the Hamas-run health ministry on Friday. Another 27,490 Palestinians in Gaza have been wounded, it said.
1923What year exactly did Israel turn into an apartheid state? 1948? Surely not. 1967?