Yeah in that case, if it's true, then the school have done the right thing.
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Palestine flag in the East stand behind the goal tonight
I didn’t infer that tbh as it’s pure speculation.
No, I'm pointing out that what an irrelevant organization does, one that in no way represents the average palestinian, is a ridiculous justification to kill civilians, including children.
The fact that you think otherwise shows your moral compass is completely broken and you just sound like a horrible human being with no compassion whatsoever.
And please don't bother posting more ridiculous videos with some hamas person or a wiki link to some bad organization, because none of that will justify the unjustifiable. It's pretty basic whataboutism and nobody in this thread is buying it, so stop selling it.
This is at the bottom of the link you just shared:
“As reported by the Manchester Evening News, Parrs Wood High School clarified on Sunday evening in a statement issued to parents that the boy was excluded because the comment was aimed at “a member of the school community based on their ethnicity.”
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Fair enough - I missed that when I was reading it
So why don't you show us how compassionate you are by condemning the openly antisemitic vitriol from Hamas - like I have regarding some racist Israelis?
I await.
Just exclaiming ‘Free Palestine’ shouldn’t be a suspendable offense, but if it was directed at someone or part of a larger racist diatribe, then it’s warranted.
That is absolutely horrific
You can't be saying things like that to a Jewish student or teacher, that's a very aggressive and exclusionary thing to do.
Sad but (assuming the info is correct and that is what he did) the right thing to do.
Interesting article about the effect of the sudden change in the Soviet stance, on the Communist Party of USA (with its large Jewish presence):
https://jewishcurrents.org/what-we-did-how-the-jewish-communist-left-failed-the-palestinian-cause/
e - posting for the historical account, not for the advocacy at the end
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'Free Palestine' is pretty innocuous to be fair, no matter who you say it to, even Bibi.
Always good to see. I wish it wasn't just muslim footballers doing it though. This issue is more important than that.
Christ.
We created a low script, societal-dumbing down show of trading spouses that ran for seven years which only further intensified the overall mental deficiency in this country.
These two men traded offspring to ensure their lineage hopefully survives.
No words.
Yes well done Amad and Paul
Good lads, i expect the club won't have been best pleased about that unfortunately.
That's class. Very brave from someone as unestablished as Amad to do that
Can’t wait for the milky one to retweet this with calls for police intervention.
I've just remembered something from about 5-6 years ago, when our local MSP was at our workplace and students were handing out Free Palestine badges as part of Fresher's Week. He took one of the badges and stuck it on his suit. Wore it the rest of the day.
It got me thinking. Just checked and the SNP had, as recently as 2019, the following position.
I'm constantly amazed at the difference in attitudes to this between the political parties across the UK. I don't know if it's because a politician just wandering in to attend a local event up here is not going to draw much media attention, so they don't have to keep up appearances as much, or if it's a genuine emboldening due to party solidarity behind a certain cause?
However there was also and SNP MSP that said the 1948 exodus was a self inflicted tragedy, so it's not all sunshine and rainbows up here.
It got me thinking. Just checked and the SNP had, as recently as 2019, the following position.
You've then got the SNP group Friends of Palestine.
I'm constantly amazed at the difference in attitudes to this between the political parties across the UK. I don't know if it's because a politician just wandering in to attend a local event up here is not going to draw much media attention, so they don't have to keep up appearances as much, or if it's a genuine emboldening due to party solidarity behind a certain cause?
However there was also and SNP MSP that said the 1948 exodus was a self inflicted tragedy, so it's not all sunshine and rainbows up here.
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The refugee problem is the most contentious issue in the historiography, as it frames the claim that Israel was born in ‘original sin.’ The classic Zionist narrative suggested the Arabs left mostly due to the calls of Arab leaders, and expected to return following an Arab victory. This claim began to be dismantled by Arab historians almost immediately, before being put to bed in the 80s by the Israeli ‘new historians.’
The Palestinian narrative has it that ‘population transfer’ (ethnic cleansing) was the Zionist plan all along, the war providing the long-awaited opportunity to secure a Jewish majority in Palestine. This narrative is supported by historians who point to the long history of thinking and discussion about ‘transfer’ in Zionist circles, certain operational plans executed during the war, and the argument that by 1948 there was no alternative plausible means by which a Jewish majority could be secured.
In response, a revised, more measured Zionist approach has emerged, arguing that while ‘transfer’ thinking was indeed a part of historical Zionist thinking about Palestine, its appeal was mostly contingent on circumstance (e.g. British support for the idea in the Peel Commission recommendations). They argue there was no clear pattern of expulsion of Arabs during the war - some commanders did it, others didn’t, sometimes it resulted from military/strategic necessity, sometimes it was done out of spite or revenge, etc. Finally, some imply that it was simply “us or them”, while others suggest that in the context of the first half of the twentieth century there was nothing particularly exceptional about what transpired.
700,000 refugees is at the lower end of estimates of numbers, normally I see around 750,00-800,000 cited by most historians.Many - perhaps a majority - fled without encountering a Jewish soldier. A small number of the more privileged (e.g. those who could afford to) left before things got really dirty, expecting to return soon. During the hostilities, many fled out of fear, due to rumors of massacres and other Jewish atrocities (Deir Yassin being the most infamous), or in advance of the arrival of Zionist forces. And there were some localized calls from Arab commanders to evacuate an area in anticipation of fighting. I don’t have the numbers to hand, but I think Benny Morris concludes that something around 40% of those who left did so directly due to forced expulsion by Zionist forces.
I’ve already commented on the Israeli counter-claim regarding the flight of the Mizrachi Jews from the Arab states here - it’s certainly a tragic episode, but I find its use in Israeli propaganda quite cynical, as it’s utilized in order to ‘balance’ the rights of the Palestinian refugees to justice, despite the fact that no matter what the reason for the Mizrachim’s flight was, the Palestinians were in no way responsible.
Finally, his claim that no refugees were offered citizenship by Arab states is wrong - Jordan offered citizenship to all those who came under Jordanian control in the West Bank in 1948.
*(edit): just checked and Morris describes 700,000 as a “fair estimation”
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The refugee problem is the most contentious issue in the historiography, as it frames the claim that Israel was born in ‘original sin.’ The classic Zionist narrative suggested the Arabs left mostly due to the calls of Arab leaders, and expected to return following an Arab victory. This claim began to be dismantled by Arab historians almost immediately, before being put to bed in the 80s by the Israeli ‘new historians.’
The Palestinian narrative has it that ‘population transfer’ (ethnic cleansing) was the Zionist plan all along, the war providing the long-awaited opportunity to secure a Jewish majority in Palestine. This narrative is supported by historians who point to the long history of thinking and discussion about ‘transfer’ in Zionist circles, certain operational plans executed during the war, and the argument that by 1948 there was no alternative plausible means by which a Jewish majority could be secured.
In response, a revised, more measured Zionist approach has emerged, arguing that while ‘transfer’ thinking was indeed a part of historical Zionist thinking about Palestine, its appeal was mostly contingent on circumstance (e.g. British support for the idea in the Peel Commission recommendations). They argue there was no clear pattern of expulsion of Arabs during the war - some commanders did it, others didn’t, sometimes it resulted from military/strategic necessity, sometimes it was done out of spite or revenge, etc. Finally, some imply that it was simply “us or them”, while others suggest that in the context of the first half of the twentieth century there was nothing particularly exceptional about what transpired.
700,000 refugees is at the lower end of estimates of numbers, normally I see around 750,00-800,000 cited by most historians.Many - perhaps a majority - fled without encountering a Jewish soldier. A small number of the more privileged (e.g. those who could afford to) left before things got really dirty, expecting to return soon. During the hostilities, many fled out of fear, due to rumors of massacres and other Jewish atrocities (Deir Yassin being the most infamous), or in advance of the arrival of Zionist forces. And there were some localized calls from Arab commanders to evacuate an area in anticipation of fighting. I don’t have the numbers to hand, but I think Benny Morris concludes that something around 40% of those who left did so directly due to forced expulsion by Zionist forces.
I’ve already commented on the Israeli counter-claim regarding the flight of the Mizrachi Jews from the Arab states here - it’s certainly a tragic episode, but I find its use in Israeli propaganda quite cynical, as it’s utilized in order to ‘balance’ the rights of the Palestinian refugees to justice, despite the fact that no matter what the reason for the Mizrachim’s flight was, the Palestinians were in no way responsible.
Finally, his claim that no refugees were offered citizenship by Arab states is wrong - Jordan offered citizenship to all those who came under Jordanian control in the West Bank in 1948.
*(edit): just checked and Morris describes 700,000 as a “fair estimation”
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That flag was passed onto Pogba by my boys.
That flag was passed onto Pogba by my boys.
You bad man. Excellent stuff.
I'm very proud of my boys and to Pogba and Amad to accept the flag. Pogba ran from halfway line to pick this up off the boys.
Not sure how to post the video off whatsapp.
Bravo. Great to see such displays of solidarity.That flag was passed onto Pogba by my boys.
Just give us your WhatsApp info. We can look for ourselves.
Well done Sultan!That flag was passed onto Pogba by my boys.
I’ve been sent the video on WhatsApp. Is your son in the NY cap and puffa jacket?
Well done to your lads.That flag was passed onto Pogba by my boys.
Amazing, I just posted the vid of them in the pogbas threadThat flag was passed onto Pogba by my boys.
Brilliant. Hopefully, Laurence Fox finds out.That flag was passed onto Pogba by my boys.
Fair play to you all! Would love to see that video
That's my nephew.
Ah, amazing! You must be very proud of them.
Absolutely!Ah, amazing! You must be very proud of them.
They're still teenagers and being aware at their age of others suffering is definitely something to be proud of.
That's nice to see. You must be proud @Sultan.
Yes. Still think they'll be reprimanded or even banned by the club.