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Serving in any battlefront must be hell, as is the fear of bombs and rockets randomly falling on you, on a human level the fear is very much understandable and measures put in place to avert that can't really be questioned.
The rocket attacks are obviously a response to the escalation of tit for tat events over the last week which I am lead to believe started with the police raid on the temple mount/al aqsa compound.
Would you or anyone else on the caf know why the police raided the compound during taraweeh with such heavy handed tactics? It seems like a massively stupid thing to do and I still can't understand why it happened.
You should look into why the place is called sheikh jurrah and after whom. He literally saved Jews
What would Israel say if the roles were reversed I wonder?
These guys make the British in Northern Ireland look like UNICEF.
Check out the 6 day war. This is all just still the spoils of war, supposedly.
These guys make the British in Northern Ireland look like UNICEF.
The claim is that Al-Aqsa was being used to plan attacks against Israel.
And Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.
Link?
Palestine has never been an independent country. It did have a mix of Christians, Muslims and Jews (still does) who did and still all do hold Jerusalem and the holy land in general very close.
The British used duplicitous means to gather the support of both the Arabs and the Jews, by promising both the land in the first world war.
Jewish migration to the area started again in the late 1800s, though I believe most Jews fleeing Europe at this time actually went to North America. It picked up pace in the 20th century.
The UN did releaee a mandate, giving bits of the land to both the Arabs (Muslim and Christian) and Jews.
Israel pushes out against its borders, though its important to note that this wasn't exactly done in a vacuum and in the context of an openly and very hostile Arab coalition, whose rhetoric was not exactly flowery.
The settlements are an utter disgrace and always have been.
The rise of Hamas is a complex and long story that someone like 2cents can probably give far more background to.
Of course, anywhere, people are going to have their own biases in their interpretations of what happened. I'd suggest it's probably best to do a good bit of research, trying to take into account both sides, before settling on your feelings.
I have my own views and biases obviously, as does everyone else.
Except it had a lot of support. I don't even think it's that unpopular of an opinion tbh "if Palestinians quit bickering and just put themselves to work like we do"
Err I don't have a link. It's just something I read about ages ago tbh.
He was salahuddins physician. Jurrah means healer. His name was hassam Al din
Sometimes I feel that Hamas might not have come into existence organically.
I know, but I didnt find anything about saving the jews or stuff like that.
Unaware of Hussam al Din Jarrah but his wiki says he liberated Jerusalem from the crusades. Many Jews were slaughtered in the crusades as they were not christian so it might be related to that.
Why is it that likes of amnesty internationals and other organisations have consistently said that the whole human shield thing is over played by he IDF and Israel and in fact it's the IDF and Israel that use children as human shields.
Also isn't Hamas the very organisation that once was supported by Israel? And was generally peaceful. Only resorting to violence after that Jewish bloke killed some Palestinians in a terrorist attack. Israel instead of punishing the guy built him up as a hero.
I'd have to Google it for some link, as it's something I read a while ago.
Anyway as great as this person might be, whoever he was or might have done, I don't really see it very relevant to the mass exodus of jews from the Middle East and North Africa after the 1948 for the very reason that many of them faced persecution, expulsion and oppression. This it not anyway to create a european/christian dichotomy compared to the muslim/middle east, since after all the greatest crime against jews in human history came from Nazi Germany and those complicit, but that there is a very clear reason why so many jews fled the middle east after the creation of modern Israel and why there are so few jews left today in the middle east and north africa.
Sorry, who are you referring to, Baruch Goldstein?
Yes but their support is not for Israel and the Jews though. They want Armageddon there so Jesus can come and claim the throne and destroy everyone else including The Jews.
Because of the creation of Israel. That doesn't mean every Jewish community was persecuted and if you think that you don't know your history. In fact, it was in Europe even before the holocaust that there was a lot of anti jewish sentiment and mistreatment. Middle east had thriving Jewish communities just like coptic christians today in Egypt. Obviously, they will leave for a better land where they are a majority.
In either case, this whole historical discussion is not relevant at all. Fact is what is happening now in the current age with an average of 100 children being killed by IDF per year.
His monument is proper shiny and looked after as well.
Can't remember the name.
Most Palestinians will say that PLO is now part of the establishment and they collaborate with the Israelis. Hamas initially was elected in an open and fair election and the west and the PLO rejected them and that's why it has changed it to what it is. As other members have said they are not the best in the PR businesses. But the desperation and lost hope of any life means people take desperate measures. We talk about China and genocide but this is the same and everyone can see it with their own eyes as to what is happening and yet not any one country in the west censures Israel about this.
I'm sorry, but even countries not involved in the 6-day war had a mass exodus of jews because of persecution, oppression or mistreatment and they didn't all flee to Israel.
Dwaz, forget the sarcasm for now, I'm being serious. I don't know why the Israeli police would do that and some genuine answers would really help me understand the current line of events better.
Do hamas accept Israels right to exist?... I know the plo do now but have hamas?
Israel has reportedly killed a senior Hamas commander: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/35-killed-gaza-3-israel-violence-escalates-2021-05-12/
You’re correct about wanting Armageddon... but they still support the State of Israel.
Source: I live among them and was raised in an evangelical church
The Jewish exodus may have had a lot to do with numbers needed to satisfy demands for a Jewish state.
The one million plan and Ben gurion etc. Also if I recall initially it was just the European Jews in the plan with the Arab Jews bought in last minute to boost numbers
Ignore the second part. The first is what I'd read on a couple of sites as the justification. Planning attacks and coordinating some of the uprising related to the latest "settlement" activity.
And you're not even referencing the specific history that we were discussing.
Complete nonsense.
I moved on to a separate topic. You can look it up online. As I said before, the historical treatment of jewish communities in middle east is not relevant to the child killing going on right now.
I didn't make an equvialence.
Christians as a whole do not want armageddon. Where do you get that from?
The idea is that when the signs of the great tribulation are occurring, christians are supposed to understand that Christ's appearing is close. That is what christians desire.
Jewish extremists are lynching us in the streets all over the country. And they are backed by the police. Unbelievable scenes. They are roaming the streets calling death to Arabs and beating up people and destroying Arab owned property. This is the most horrific thing I’ve seen with my own eyes. I almost got killed last night by an armed mob of settlers who came to Haifa where a few hundred of us Arabs protesting peacefully (I documented everything). Then the forces broke up the protest and allowed Jewish settlers, armed Jewish citizens, to attack us. We barely escaped to my office which is located on the same street. Police forces are facilitating Jewish citizens lynch Arab citizens. I’m in total disbelief.
So the great tribulation doesn't signal the end of the world and armageddon?
Stay safe, mate.
That's horrible. Stay safe man.