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Klopp oversells everything. It's all part of his management schtick. He does it very well, too.
The Super Cup goes straight to the final because there's two teams. You go through the group stage and play multiple knockout games in the UCL because it's a 32-team competition, and the 32 teams has to be brought down to two teams in order for them to contest the final. An English team qualifies for the UCL by finishing top four in the preceding BPL season and an English team qualifies for the UEFA Super Cup by winning the UCL or UEL in the preceding season. Teams aren't just picked from a hat as is the case in friendlies, and you have to achieve something specific to qualify for it the next season. There aren't much difference between the three UEFA club comps except the fact that some are more prestigious than the others.Uh .. you qualify for the CL via what you did the previous season, and then you go through a groups stage and multiple knockout games to reach the final. You don't get to just play a one off game to win a trophy.
The super cup is a one off game you get to by virtue of winning another trophy. Hence why a vast majority of fans don't take it seriously as a proper cup, regardless of what UEFA brand it in order to make it more attractive.
It's a nice European season opener, nothing more and nothing less.
Cheers Michael Owen.To win the Super Cup you have to win the CL or EL
So supercup is better than League cup? If the logic is you have to win CL or Europa league to play in league Cup then Charity shield should be rated higher than League cup and FA Cup.I am happy we won. It's probably the least significant of 'proper' trophies one can win, but not that much less so than the league cup.
I was delighted when we won it in 2001 and happy for it in 05.
In contrast, the only time I've been fussed about winning a charity shield was under rafa against chelsea. And that was basically only because we fielded our reserves, Mourinho played a full strength team and we still beat Chelsea anyway.
To win Charity shield, you should win league or FA Cup, or finish 2nd if league champions wins the FA Cup. Doesn't mean it's not very small trophy to win.To win the Super Cup you have to win the CL or EL
I didn't see anyone celebrating "Treble" in 2007-08, 2008-09 and few more seasons when we won CS along with league and domestic trophy.Well, plenty of posters here on the Caf were including the Community Shield as a trophy in 2016/17 when Utd won it. Can't really fault Liverpool fans for including the Super Cup as a trophy as well.
Erh no.So supercup is better than League cup? If the logic is you have to win CL or Europa league to play in league Cup then Charity shield should be rated higher than League cup and FA Cup.
Apologies, must have read it wrong.Erh no.
I said the league cup is still better.
There is only one treble, and only one quadruple for English clubs. Everyone with half a braincell knows that.I didn't see anyone celebrating "Treble" in 2007-08, 2008-09 and few more seasons when we won CS along with league and domestic trophy.
I think 2008-09 we won quadruple then, League + League Cup + CS + Club world cup.
Yeah no one said it's not a trophy.There is only one treble, and only one quadruple for English clubs. Everyone with half a braincell knows that.
Doesn’t mean the Super Cup isn’t a trophy, and I’d class it way ahead the Community Shield.
CS yes.The Super Cup and The CS are not trophies that mean anything, the games are treated as Glorified friendlies.
You win it, you can claim whatever you want.CS yes.
When was the last time a super cup was treated as a glorified friendly though? The only time I can recall teams fielding anything less than their strongest side was Real Madrid in 2016.
Sure. It's the least of the trophies worth counting.You win it, you can claim whatever you want.
In the big scheme though, it’s not as important as any domestic trophy or the Europa and UCL.
The League Cup is significant. Look at the past winners, not much outside the top 5/6Sure. It's the least of the trophies worth counting.
Not sure the league cup is that much more noteworthy though. But that perhaps also speaks to its increasing irrelevance.
It's subjective of course, but the only times I've given more than two fecks about the league cup were seasons were we had nothing else to play for.The League Cup is significant. Look at the past winners, not much outside the top 5/6
All the time, there is no prize money for winning it. The winner of it doesn't advance to the Club World Cup as that spot is already given to the the CL winner.CS yes.
When was the last time a super cup was treated as a glorified friendly though? The only time I can recall teams fielding anything less than their strongest side was Real Madrid in 2016.
Well it does mean one thing. The trophy tally comparison just went up to 46-45.All the time, there is no prize money for winning it. The winner of it doesn't advance to the Club World Cup as that spot is already given to the the CL winner.
I wanted us to win it in 08 and 17 but in the grand scheme of things the defeats meant nothing.
It is the CS of the European Cup winners nothing more.
Whatever helps you scousers sleep at night... saves the rest of us being robbed.Well it does mean one thing. The trophy tally comparison just went up to 46-45.
http://www.sportbible.com/football/...t-successful-team-ahead-of-liverpool-20190814Well it does mean one thing. The trophy tally comparison just went up to 46-45.
So, they chose to include the one trophy that isn't even recognised as a competitive game, literally a friendly played for charity, as a trophy. Must have been written by a united fan.
thisUnited fans who counted the community shield as a trophy were embarrassing and Liverpool fans who are counting the Super Cup as a trophy are also embarrassing.
And yes, before someone says it .. counting the Audi Cup would be even worse.
Which ever way you want to paint it we're still aheadSo, they chose to include the one trophy that isn't even recognised as a competitive game as a trophy. Must have been written by a united fan.
No. Counting actual recognised competitive trophies, it's 46-45.Which ever way you want to paint it we're still ahead
What exactly are you classing a competitive trophies? Name themNo. Counting actual recognised competitive trophies, it's 46-45.
We can also stay safe and just count the two big ones. That brings it to 24-23.
There's no black and white answer to it imoUnited fans who counted the community shield as a trophy were embarrassing and Liverpool fans who are counting the Super Cup as a trophy are also embarrassing.
And yes, before someone says it .. counting the Audi Cup would be even worse.
The ones classed by FIFA/UEFA as competitive games.What exactly are you classing a competitive trophies? Name them
Europa League under League cup? Deluded much? Europa League provides clubs the chance to get into top 4. Look at the teams who have won it in the last few years.Europa League is after these for me, as the best teams are not in it, but it counts
But isn't the community shield the supercup equivalent in other countries, in which the league winner faces the cup winner? If yes it should be acknowledged as an official trophy like everywhere else.The ones classed by FIFA/UEFA as competitive games.
The charity/community shield is literally a friendly played for charity. It's no different than the other friendly 'tournaments' hosted during the summer.
edit: turns out that is no longer the case and it is recognised by uefa as a competive game and trophy.
I gave you my reasons for looking at it that way. You can have another oponion and it's fine, but no need for the deluded nonsense.Europa League under League cup? Deluded much? Europa League provides clubs the chance to get into top 4. Look at the teams who have won it in the last few years.