Jack Grealish / signs new 5 year contract

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We've conceded 2 goals in the last 8 games. We’ve also had clean sheets against City, Chelsea and Wolves (2) this calendar year alone.
That's because we deployed two DM/B2B. It wouldn't happen if we had only one DM protecting defence.
 

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Honestly, fitting him in wouldn’t be any issue. Left sided midfielder in a three, he can be in the inside left channel and Rashford can play one-twos off him as he’s breaking into the box or he can overlap outside Rashford to allow the latter to get inside the box, while the other midfielder (Bruno) stays inside in a central 2 with the cdm.

My biggest fear and frustration is that we have a player here that we clearly want, and we’re doing nothing to attempt to sign him now, as far as I can tell. Why aren’t we negotiating now? It’s like Bruno, why do we assume that the transfer window is when negotiations are allowed to start? We’ll start negotiating once the transfer window opens, it’ll be the usual “player wants to concentrate on the euros” and then we’ll have paid an obscene amount of money on deadline day for a player who can’t join until three weeks into the season and won’t be match fit by then because he hasn’t participated in his old club’s pre-season due to transfer speculation. All of this assumes that nobody else goes in for him.
 

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Honestly, fitting him in wouldn’t be any issue. Left sided midfielder in a three, he can be in the inside left channel and Rashford can play one-twos off him as he’s breaking into the box or he can overlap outside Rashford to allow the latter to get inside the box, while the other midfielder (Bruno) stays inside in a central 2 with the cdm.

My biggest fear and frustration is that we have a player here that we clearly want, and we’re doing nothing to attempt to sign him now, as far as I can tell. Why aren’t we negotiating now? It’s like Bruno, why do we assume that the transfer window is when negotiations are allowed to start? We’ll start negotiating once the transfer window opens, it’ll be the usual “player wants to concentrate on the euros” and then we’ll have paid an obscene amount of money on deadline day for a player who can’t join until three weeks into the season and won’t be match fit by then because he hasn’t participated in his old club’s pre-season due to transfer speculation. All of this assumes that nobody else goes in for him.
I would guess Villa wouldn't want to negotiate selling their best player in the midst of a relegation scrap, it could demotivate the entire team
 

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Would be a waste and probably a bad idea outside of specific tactics for parts of games. Could play in a 3 though.
He has played in a deeper midfield role for Villa before right? I think he has all the attributes to play in a deeper role. Players like Modric/Kroos/Scholes all started out playing further forward. He has the strength, workrate and technical ability to play in a deeper role. Even more so if he has the likes of McTominay/Fred and Bruno alongside him who are all hard workers.
 

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In my view if we sign Grealish then we have to play a narrow 4-4-2 which can be viewed as a 4-2-2-2 with both Bruno and Grealish playing behind two versatile and skillful strikers that can drift. That would mean we sign another striker instead of a winger (Sancho) and will have to expect much more offensively from AWB and Shaw.
 

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In my view if we sign Grealish then we have to play a narrow 4-4-2 which can be viewed as a 4-2-2-2 with both Bruno and Grealish playing behind two versatile and skillful strikers that can drift. That would mean we sign another striker instead of a winger (Sancho) and will have to expect much more offensively from AWB and Shaw.
I don’t think so really. Imagine a 4-3-3 which turns into a 424 in attack. Grealish LCM in attack goes forward, either outside Rashford to allow him inside, or inside to allow Rashford to play a one-two and break into the box. As Grealish goes wide, Bruno drops inside from the right and forms a central two with the other midfielder to direct play.

Similarly on the opposite side, Bruno occupies the inside right channel which allows the RW to either combine with Bruno and break into the box or to stay wide and allow Bruno topush forward while not forcing the cf to leave the middle and go wide. In that scenario, Grealish drops inside and forms the playmaking duo in the middle.

If I were the manager of such a team I would drill them into doing a one-two between the winger (ideally Rashford/Sancho) and the cm (Grealish/Bruno) which leads to a pass between the full-back and center half for the winger to run on to. Would open up space for a cut-back for the other cm to attack at the penalty spot, the center forward at the near post or the opposite winger at the back post. We’d score tons of sweaty, City-esque goals with that tactic.
 

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If we sell Pogba and play 433, Grealish can easily play with Sancho, Bruno and Rashy. Bruno played about half of his games in Sporting as a number 8, and i think Jack could play there as well. Anyway, that would require a proper number 6, like Fernandinho in City. Could Fred or McTominay do a good enough job here? Maybe.

In a 433, Grealish could drift wide in attack, like Pogba often does. Much has been created from this with Pogba, Rash and Shaw. Hopefully Bruno, Wan-Bissaka and Sancho(?) could do the same on the other side.

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I don’t think so really. Imagine a 4-3-3 which turns into a 424 in attack. Grealish LCM in attack goes forward, either outside Rashford to allow him inside, or inside to allow Rashford to play a one-two and break into the box. As Grealish goes wide, Bruno drops inside from the right and forms a central two with the other midfielder to direct play.

Similarly on the opposite side, Bruno occupies the inside right channel which allows the RW to either combine with Bruno and break into the box or to stay wide and allow Bruno topush forward while not forcing the cf to leave the middle and go wide. In that scenario, Grealish drops inside and forms the playmaking duo in the middle.

If I were the manager of such a team I would drill them into doing a one-two between the winger (ideally Rashford/Sancho) and the cm (Grealish/Bruno) which leads to a pass between the full-back and center half for the winger to run on to. Would open up space for a cut-back for the other cm to attack at the penalty spot, the center forward at the near post or the opposite winger at the back post. We’d score tons of sweaty, City-esque goals with that tactic.
I think such a formation would require a top DM and a RW, a task I don't think we will pull off if we plan to sign Grealish too because that will be three major signings and cost us something in the region of 200m.
 

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Aston Villa financial figures could give United Grealish boost
Selling Jack Grealish would certainly help Aston Villa.

 

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Part of the cool crowd with Calvert Lewin, Davies, Bellerin and Maddison. There's a bunch of em. Lots from Leicester. That's where it seems to originate. London to Dubai. Grealish appears to be the leader, or face of the movement. Have to sign him. Has an aura about him like Cantona. He's more Cantona than Bruno. I think. Villa are championship relegation material without him. Actually I take that back re Cantona. More Beckham actually. Imagine how many more Instagram followers he would have, if he signed with us.
 

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I think he is the one realistic signing for next season if we can offload Sanchez but Ole thinks Alexis will come back and surprise us all.
 

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I think he is the one realistic signing for next season if we can offload Sanchez but Ole thinks Alexis will come back and surprise us all.
Maybe he’ll come back and surprise us all as we aren’t expecting him.

Perhaps he’ll jump out of the plane toilet on the way to the pre-season tour!
 

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Part of the cool crowd with Calvert Lewin, Davies, Bellerin and Maddison. There's a bunch of em. Lots from Leicester. That's where it seems to originate. London to Dubai. Grealish appears to be the leader, or face of the movement. Have to sign him. Has an aura about him like Cantona. He's more Cantona than Bruno. I think. Villa are championship relegation material without him. Actually I take that back re Cantona. More Beckham actually. Imagine how many more Instagram followers he would have, if he signed with us.
Another instagram footballer? The Class of 92 will sharpening their knives.
 

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From Bleacher reports Dean Jones who is worth listening to IMO.

 

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Luckhurst saying United are trying to get this deal done early.

 

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That's because we deployed two DM/B2B. It wouldn't happen if we had only one DM protecting defence.
2 Defensive Midfielders & 2 defensive FBs. I can't think of many top teams in europe setting up like that.
 

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From Bleacher reports Dean Jones who is worth listening to IMO.

Are you serious? Pretty sure they could have bent us over a barrel for 80m. They really must be desperate for immediate cash
 

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2 Defensive Midfielders & 2 defensive FBs. I can't think of many top teams in europe setting up like that.
It's pretty grim. Then people always compare this season to last season (the worst season, defensive wise), ignoring seasons before that.
 

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It's pretty grim. Then people always compare this season to last season (the worst season, defensive wise), ignoring seasons before that.
But think of all that freedom the attackers are getting!
 

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Are you serious? Pretty sure they could have bent us over a barrel for 80m. They really must be desperate for immediate cash
Believe it or not. Most Villa fans I've spoke to, think he will be sold for £50m.
 

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Honestly, fitting him in wouldn’t be any issue. Left sided midfielder in a three, he can be in the inside left channel and Rashford can play one-twos off him as he’s breaking into the box or he can overlap outside Rashford to allow the latter to get inside the box, while the other midfielder (Bruno) stays inside in a central 2 with the cdm.

My biggest fear and frustration is that we have a player here that we clearly want, and we’re doing nothing to attempt to sign him now, as far as I can tell. Why aren’t we negotiating now? It’s like Bruno, why do we assume that the transfer window is when negotiations are allowed to start? We’ll start negotiating once the transfer window opens, it’ll be the usual “player wants to concentrate on the euros” and then we’ll have paid an obscene amount of money on deadline day for a player who can’t join until three weeks into the season and won’t be match fit by then because he hasn’t participated in his old club’s pre-season due to transfer speculation. All of this assumes that nobody else goes in for him.
Why do you assume we aren't? Fans know nothing about what's going on behind the scenes, and journo' s don't know much more.

I would imagine we're already in contact with the player's agent re personal terms, and and with the club, who probably said something like "Sod off you pricks, we're in a fecking relegation battle. Come talk to us when we know if we're staying up or not".

Or if we're really smart, we're deliberately waiting it out on negotiations because we figure we can know 20mil off the price tag if Villa are in fact relegated.
 

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Believe it or not. Most Villa fans I've spoke to, think he will be sold for £50m.
Most Leicester fans couldn't believe we spent 80m for Maguire.

Most United fans couldn't believe we could sell Lukaku for 75m.
Most of us couldn't believe United rejected any bid for Rojo.
 

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From Bleacher reports Dean Jones who is worth listening to IMO.

Honestly, it's just a move that makes a lot of sense from all parties. He's not "world class" so I don't see City spending big to prevent someone else from getting him, while he just doesn't strike me as a Liverpool target for the summer. Yes we have Bruno, but we saw with Pogba this year, one injury and we are fecked. Pogba likely off in the summer means we definitely need another midfield option that can cover multiple positions, where we can try multiple options and change things around when needed and rotate and provide competition for places. He's not a squad player, but he'd be signed as someone who just greatly increases the level and then it's down to player form and cohesion for what works best.

Most Leicester fans couldn't believe we spent 80m for Maguire.

Most United fans couldn't believe we could sell Lukaku for 75m.
Most of us couldn't believe United rejected any bid for Rojo.
Leicester was a team with top 4 aspirations and are financially sound. United can afford to hold onto players as we are comfortable money wise. Aston Villa took a huge loss with how much they spent last summer and have a good shot at relegation, and regardless are not financially sound and are at the bottom of the table. He won't go for crazy money because their situation doesn't mean they can hold out for it, and there won't be enough interest to start a bidding war to force up the price IMO. 50-60m max is my guess, and that's after installments. Something like Bruno deal I'd bet.
 

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Leicester was a team with top 4 aspirations and are financially sound. United can afford to hold onto players as we are comfortable money wise. Aston Villa took a huge loss with how much they spent last summer and have a good shot at relegation, and regardless are not financially sound and are at the bottom of the table. He won't go for crazy money because their situation doesn't mean they can hold out for it, and there won't be enough interest to start a bidding war to force up the price IMO. 50-60m max is my guess, and that's after installments. Something like Bruno deal I'd bet.
I don't know. Most of buyer's fans tend to downgrade player's worth. It happens almost every time.
 

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I don't know. Most of buyer's fans tend to downgrade player's worth. It happens almost every time.
Yeah but the initial links are usually relatively accurate. And you have to look at the clubs financial situation. They're in danger of the drop, and will be beyond fecked if they do get relegated, since they spent 120m+ on transfers last summer. They'll be desperate to sell as soon as possible. £50-60m isn't cheap, it's fair value for a good player who is coming from a bottom side, but not a world class player (yet).
 

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Yeah but the initial links are usually relatively accurate. And you have to look at the clubs financial situation. They're in danger of the drop, and will be beyond fecked if they do get relegated, since they spent 120m+ on transfers last summer. They'll be desperate to sell as soon as possible. £50-60m isn't cheap, it's fair value for a good player who is coming from a bottom side, but not a world class player (yet).
I bet he'd cost 60-80m with adds on.
 

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I have a strong suspicion that we will offer a couple of academy players on loan to help out Villa as a part of Grealish deal if this were to go through. I can see the likes of Chong, Garner, TFM etc. rocking up there.
 

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Most Leicester fans couldn't believe we spent 80m for Maguire.

Most United fans couldn't believe we could sell Lukaku for 75m.
Most of us couldn't believe United rejected any bid for Rojo.
Leicester fans must've forgot who bankrolls them.

I can't speak for every United fan. But I fully expected us to recoup most of the Lukaku transfer fee.

Most United fans saw Darmian stay at the club for several transfer windows so the rejected bid for Rojo shouldn't have surprised you. There's a few more examples too.
 

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I have a strong suspicion that we will offer a couple of academy players on loan to help out Villa as a part of Grealish deal if this were to go through. I can see the likes of Chong, Garner, TFM etc. rocking up there.
This could be a really possibility.
 

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Grealish has impressed me a lot whenever I’ve seen him. I think he has a bit of that fire and personality that Solskjaer is looking for too
 
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