Dortmund's standpoint just doesn't make sense. It's evident we are still talking with them, in other words, they are willing to do a deal. Yet in the media they clearly communicate he's not going anywhere? It's just bizarre. United surely would have moved on a longtime ago if a deal was a 100% not happening this summer. We haven't been linked to any alternatives either, so where is this confidence coming from is the question? Sancho's desire to join perhaps? If that's the case he will be asked to submit a transfer request by Dortmund to save face no doubt. That's the only explanation I can thing of, Sancho's camp saying they want the deal to happen this summer. Why else pursue a dead deal?
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Their stance makes sense if United have yet to agree to pay what they want...
I'm all for it, and to up the ante, the poster who is responsible for turning that one-page thread into a two-page thread is thread banned from the subsequent newly created one-page thread.
True but according to sources we have already met their valuation, the only problem is the instalments in which they will be paid. So let's say we agree a deal, how are they going to save face? After saying he is 100% not moving this summer?
There is no stand point mate. Pay 120 million Euros or jog on. We are here because of our own incompetence. Stop blaming Dortmund.
Where am I blaming Dortmund exactly? I'm asking for clarification on their stance considering we are clearly still in negotiation. Relax a small bit.
Have the other big Dortmund sales taken this long, or were they done early?
That would be a good indicator whether Dortmund like to play hard ball and play the long game.
Their stance is we pay 120 million or shut up. They won't change.
So then we haven't met their valuation/asking price then
Let's say we do agree a deal, what then? They will look like idiots for saying he wouldn't move this summer.
And we've already made it clear that we're happy to pay €120 million, but we want to structure it so we can pay in installments and easily achievable addons. It's upto Dortmund to deicde whether they accept that or not, and to find a happy medium
Stay strong and have faith. This is happening.
The fee of 120m is already “agreed” between both teams. Dortmund want it to be a guaranteed payment of 120m over next few years. Utd want it to be a conditional fee “potentially” going to 120m based on targets being met.
When this is the difference in negotiations, it will get sorted. Utd aren’t going to pull out on that basis. Its simply selling a Smalling or Lingard to cover it. Utd have put too much into it to pull out now.
The fee of 120m is already “agreed” between both teams. Dortmund want it to be a guaranteed payment of 120m over next few years. Utd want it to be a conditional fee “potentially” going to 120m based on targets being met.
When this is the difference in negotiations, it will get sorted. Utd aren’t going to pull out on that basis. Its simply selling a Smalling or Lingard to cover it. Utd have put too much into it to pull out now.
It's just posturing to make United pay up. They know it works in their favour economically.
They'll still look like idiots though.
They'll still look like idiots though.
No they won't, because they'll simply blame Sancho saying he forced their hand and wanted the move due to being homesick etc. It's a win-win for them. He stays, they keep him for another season, he leaves they get a lot of money and can blame him for wanting the move
Do you seriously believe what Clubs say in the media? Its called posturing to their fans. Remember SAF and Madrid, I wouldn't sell them a virus. Public statements like that mean nothing. Every footballer has a price. Even Messi.
I think you will find they already decided...
Deal needs to be done in the next few days for the start of the season.
That’s the thing though they don’t want it payed in installments or add ons, they want the €120m paid in full or he doesn’t go anywhere. Which is a pretty crazy demand but he’s their player so can do whatever they want unfortunately.
I don’t think that is true. They want a guaranteed fee that amount to 120 mil.
None of this oh you’ll get 5 mil if he scores or assists 20 times in the league or win the champions league or things like that.
Sure it was said they are happy to structure a deal but it must mean they get 120 mil. Not possibly get 120 mil.
No, it's widely reported that they want a total of €120m guaranteed. I'm pretty sure they'd take installments, but United want to add addons to make it up to €120m, meaning that overall, they may get him for less than what Dortmund want. I'm pretty certain if United offered €70m this year, €30m next year and €20m the year after, Dortmund would likely agree and accept.
Thatsjust my opinion though, United might want to add things like €Xm after xx goals, or €Xm after xx amount of appearances. That'll be their definition of easily achievable, but it's not what Dortmund want.
So that means they have decided what they want. And United need to decide if they will meet it or not
Thats why we're negotiating... I'm pretty sure we'll come to some kind of agreement, but you never know.
Either way, i can see it dragging out for a little while longer yet
But why are we negotiating now, when the PL has started?
Should've been done months ago.
Allegedly down 0-1 to Villa.. Sign him up now Woodward.
How many times should they release the same statement?
They've said it two times already: United has to pay €120 million in full (no add-ons or performance based clauses) or there simply won't be any deal.
Dortmund has been adamant on that.
I really don't get why Woody & Co. don't just pay up already. It's like they don't get that Dortmund simply has no pressure at all. They still have Sancho under contract through 2023 and he's not throwing a tantrum or trying to force his way out either. If we don't pay up, he'll simply play this year for Dortmund, it's really that easy.
Very few excepting some of the most important suits in the boardrooms from both sides will know what's really happening behind the scenes. Everything else is managed leaks for our consumption. It's up to us then accept the leaks, make assumptions or summarise by reading between the lines.
Yup i agree.
Thats the very simple fact really, it's all opinion and guess work on our side and interpreting the leaks the best we can.
It does confuse me how reports got out saying that we were struggling with the agent fee/wages but we didn't consider the fee with Dortmund very difficult to overcome, yet now the agent fee/wages have been resolved, everything seems to have grinded to a halt. I still believe we'll get him, but i'm seriously questioning the validity of these leaks.
That’s fine, but Sancho is probably the best of the bunch. If he earns a starting spot and pushes another one of those three out, leading them to want to leave the club then you have a valuable commodity to sell. The club should always churn the roster and make improvements where they can...even in positions of relative strength.
Agree. And I think the club has also limited the number of people actually involved with transfers - particularly this one. They are playing it close to the chest and were apparently unhappy with so many leaks in August. Besides, I think the news we get from Romano, Twitter, and so-called ITKs reach us at least 24hrs later.
Think that's because discussions are going on, I expect when something happens it will be rather dramatically.
This is hilarious, no wonder no one watches this rubbish on Sky anymore
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Cant wait till it happens.
Wow he looks pretty washed up here. Such a far cry from the clean cut, sweater vest wearing manager.
What club did he manage again?
By the way - the last episode of the Sancho series was a couple of days ago. Anybody has the latest episode? My popcorn is getting cold
Stay of the booze Tim.
And we don't need Sancho but should get Bale. Think he needs to be doing a breathalyzer, very suspicious.We’ve got James so we don’t need Sancho.
Spurs and Villa
Leave Tactics Tim alone lads.
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