DomesticTadpole
Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.
If they do come up I wouldn't object.Yeah pretty much, though if they qualify for the prem they might wanna try to keep him.
If they do come up I wouldn't object.Yeah pretty much, though if they qualify for the prem they might wanna try to keep him.
On the other hand teams that come up mostly struggle and he may be in a struggling team. If we recruit a good experienced Dm then he and Hannibal can share the number 8 role nest season. Playing with a good DM should give him less responsibility and more freedom. He could develop as a good number 6 eventually but a couple of years as a number 8 would be a good basisIf they do come up I wouldn't object.
He's absolutely not better than fredCurrently Garner is a better player than anyone in our midfield. I've never been impressed with Fred, I don't care what he does for Brazil.
Definitely more productive than McT.He's absolutely not better than fred
He is a completely different player. Such a comparison is not meaningful. To disclose, Fred is one of my favorites.He's absolutely not better than fred
You can't say that with any certainty. Garner could be a revelation in our team for all we know. He's not been given a chance yet.He's absolutely not better than fred
Absolutely this. I think they'd compliment eachother nicely in midfield.He is a completely different player. Such a comparison is not meaningful. To disclose, Fred is one of my favorites.
he's certainly got more technical abilityDefinitely more productive than McT.
i can say that. if we were playing a champions league final tomorrow and we had to choose between fred and Garner, it would be Fred every time. Garner has a lot of potential but let's not get ahead of ourselvesYou can't say that with any certainty. Garner could be a revelation in our team for all we know. He's not been given a chance yet.
Fred tries hard every week but he's very poor on the ball. Garner's passing and final delivery is fantastic.
Don't want no one trick ponyHis set-pieces are unreal. He should model himself on James Ward-Prowse. If he can track his man and maintain his standard in delivery, he’s a huge upgrade on McTominay.
Fred is already an important player to United's central midfield, especially as he plays in a midfield 2. Fred isn't very poor on the ball. He can be too loose with the ball, but that doesn't make him poor.You can't say that with any certainty. Garner could be a revelation in our team for all we know. He's not been given a chance yet.
Fred tries hard every week but he's very poor on the ball. Garner's passing and final delivery is fantastic.
Fred isn't an important player one bit. Don't let a disastrous season where the whole team has downed tools fool you into believing he's a good player because he's been best of a bad bunch.Fred is already an important player to United's central midfield, especially as he plays in a midfield 2. Fred isn't very poor on the ball. He can be too loose with the ball, but that doesn't make him poor.
Garner's passing and final delivery is fantastic, but for someone who hasn't played any time in the PL or a top level across Europe, that will change and be challenged. Garner has 4 goals and 8 assists in the Championship while playing over 3,100 minutes. He also takes lots of set pieces. Fred has 4 goals and 4 assists from approximately 1,900 minutes and he's probably taken less than 10 set pieces from scoring situations. So yeah. It's not like Garner has 15 assists in the Championship and he's some talisman pulling the strings in midfield with Forest. He might grow into that, nobody knows, but stop putting down Fred.
So the starting central midfielder of the Brazilian national team is bang average? Ok.Fred isn't an important player one bit. Don't let a disastrous season where the whole team has downed tools fool you into believing he's a good player because he's been best of a bad bunch.
Fred is bang average. Always has been and always will. Can't fault his work rate but that's all he has.
Yeah. I have watched him for last few years and he's bang average mate.So the starting central midfielder of the Brazilian national team is bang average? Ok.
Combative midfielder, ability to win the ball on the ground anywhere on the pitch, and begin transition towards goal with a forward pass. Can link up going forward with 1 or 2 touches. His mentality and personality is of a very good player. He's also shown more of a threat towards goal. Garner and Fred with a true defensive midfielder behind them would be very well rounded and should be given a shotYeah. I have watched him for last few years and he's bang average mate.
Great engine on him as I have already said. What else is he great at?
Have to love the guy who thinks they can sign him for 10m if they go up because Garner will demand he leaves United to continue playing for Steve Cooper.Held in very high esteem on the forest forums - https://www.forestforum.co.uk/threads/49388-James-Garner
He’s been our best midfielder for about 2-3 years now (not including Bruno). He is very good at quick short passing and also excellent at playing a good first pass forward after winning possession. When he wins the ball he actually does something with it rather than recycle possession. Yes he has major weaknesses including poor linger range passing and shooting and he is a bit loose with the ball closer to goal, but he has very good qualities. He’s also never played with a proper holding midfielder at the club apart from a past it Matic.Yeah. I have watched him for last few years and he's bang average mate.
Great engine on him as I have already said. What else is he great at?
Standards have dropped so much mate I think you're massively over rating him.Combative midfielder, ability to win the ball on the ground anywhere on the pitch, and begin transition towards goal with a forward pass. Can link up going forward with 1 or 2 touches. His mentality and personality is of a very good player. He's also shown more of a threat towards goal. Garner and Fred with a true defensive midfielder behind them would be very well rounded and should be given a shot
Isn't Garner more defensive. We'd be missing creativity with that 3. What do you do about Bruno?Combative midfielder, ability to win the ball on the ground anywhere on the pitch, and begin transition towards goal with a forward pass. Can link up going forward with 1 or 2 touches. His mentality and personality is of a very good player. He's also shown more of a threat towards goal. Garner and Fred with a true defensive midfielder behind them would be very well rounded and should be given a shot
Garner always looked a class act in our youth sides tbf but you can never be sure of how these lads transition into the mens game. He looks to have really found his mojo. I'd be amazed if we didn't give him a chance.I read his thread on the Nottingham forest forum and its been praise all season, they clearly rate him and see him as a future England international.
There is almost zero detractors which is rear even when Bruno was at his finest here you still have people pointing out weaknesses. He must be dominating it there.
Definitely more of a box to box player. We still need a Sitter.How's his progression coming along? DM in the Carrick mould or is he more of an 8 now?
He plays in a very well run team under Cooper. Don’t want to be negative but I do worry about how much he gets on the ball whenever I watch him. Whatever happens he needs to be in the PL next season to carry on developing.I read his thread on the Nottingham forest forum and its been praise all season, they clearly rate him and see him as a future England international.
There is almost zero detractors which is rear even when Bruno was at his finest here you still have people pointing out weaknesses. He must be dominating it there.
Casemiro has been keeping Fabinho out of the Brazilian national team when all have been fit.Standards have dropped so much mate I think you're massively over rating him.
Also the Brazil thing is a bit of nonsense. He keeps Fabinho out of the team which we all know is rubbish. Fabinho is a much better player than Fred.
I don't dislike him. Like I said he tries hard so you can't help but like him a bit but we aren't going anywhere with likes of Fred as a starting midfielder. He's just not good enough.
Disappointing.Definitely more of a box to box player. We still need a Sitter.
Not saying Garner is the answer and the next Scholes mate but his passing range and final ball is streets ahead of Fred. The lad has real quality on the ball.Casemiro has been keeping Fabinho out of the Brazilian national team when all have been fit.
It's more like you're dismissing Fred entirely rather than me or others who are overrating Fred. There's a difference between saying someone isn't good enough versus someone who isn't good. Fred falls in between the 2. I think Garner can be of the same level.
It is clear that Fred or Garner cannot carry a midfield by themselves, but together they might be able to do it with a another central mid.
The fans definitely rate him as their best player, he is like a cult hero already.He plays in a very well run team under Cooper. Don’t want to be negative but I do worry about how much he gets on the ball whenever I watch him. Whatever happens he needs to be in the PL next season to carry on developing.
Indeed but that's what transfers are for.Disappointing.
Garner has always played more of an all around midfield player and has made lots of runs towards the box and into the box since he was in United's academy. He gets around well and can pass well.Isn't Garner more defensive. We'd be missing creativity with that 3. What do you do about Bruno?
I think he will become a holding midfielder in time with more experience. Generally young players gradually move to deeper positions anyway as they gain more experience, strength and positional sense, and less youthful reckleness. And Garner certainly looks like he has the tools to be a real holding midfielder, it just so happens at this stage he also likes to bomb forwards and is still a bit scrawny.Disappointing.
It’s more likely we do qualify for Europe to be honestIf it's a rebuild season and we don't qualify for Europe (likely) might as well utilize him in the first team.