i don't understand why spend £60m on Maddison when James Rodriguez is available for €10m loan + €40m buy out @2020. If he doesn't work out in the system it only cost €10m.
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What people don't understand is that the rumoured 100m transfer budget is what Ole are allowed to spend on James's.
I'd rather have Maddison. Signing a player like Rodriguez is last thing we should be doing.
Agreed - James Rodriguez isnt wanted anywhere and was good at the 2014 WC and been shite ever since - that was Real Madrid doing a Karen Poborsky signing off the back of Euro 1996 - he is absolutely NOT the type of player/journeyman/high-wage-plodder we need. Number one requirement is a WANT to be at Utd and some leadership skills would be a great bonus.
I’d take Maddison all day long - exactly what we need
Because he’s a high wage, low work rate and slow powder puff player. He’d be looking for a loan to Juve within 6 months. At our expense of course.
Poborsky was way better than James. He basically moved on from here because Beckham came through faster than expected and so there was no place for him in the team. He had an excellent career after leaving here and never moaned about the situation when he was on the bench. I would cheerfully drop 75m on Poborsky in his prime to fix our RW position now.
I think the point that was made had more to do with the concept of signing someone off one good tournament, rather than being an attack on Poborsky's character or professionalism.
Honestly. Isn’t he going to Napoli? I read it was €30m which would be the bargain of the summer.
Oh I concede the point, still love Poborsky though. James on the other hand is proper rubbish and I would be gutted if we signed him even on a loan.
Heh, and we'd get Chilwell as well! Can we not just recruit their scouting network & DOF?
Flopped at Madrid, flopped at Bayern and he'll flop at Napoli too. Bargain of the summer? Nobody wants him.
If Leicester are so great why are they mid table?
They lack someone extraordinary. The have several good players and one or two talents to become special. Man City have a whole bunch, Liverpool have Mane, Salah and probably even van Dijk, Chelsea have Hazard and Kante, Spurs have Kane and maybe even Eriksen. Man Utd have Pogba. Arsenal are close with Ozil and Aubameyang.
All the teams below top six 6 lack players at this level. If a good manager could pick the players he wanted from the teams below top six he would still struggle to make the top 5/6, and I would be surprised to see him make the top 4.
He did well under Ancelotti in Madrid and under Heynckes in Munich. He just needs the right coach to bring the best out of him. It is no surprise he wants to reunite with Ancelotti. He is the bargain of the summer whether it is €30m or €50m. Unless Ancelotti is a coach that doesn't know what he is doing, he first managed James in RM, then brought him to Bayern, and now he is trying to bring him to Napoli too. Heynckes is also full of praise of James as well and it can be found in internet easily. I don't believe both Ancelotti and Heynckes are bad coaches.
They lack a couple of top players. They have the basis of a very good team but I doubt they can attract top tier talent. I don't get why Leicester are being underrated here, they've done some excellent recruitment IMO. Add VVD and Mane or Salah to that team and they're easily top 4 material.
He is making €6.5 million annually, it is even less than Martial and Lingard. I don't mean he will join Man Utd, just trying to say there is bargain out there in the market and you need to pay premium buying within EPL.
I kind of agree under Rodgers next season would be surprised if Leicester are not more of a threat to the top 4 than Arse.... however add VVD, Mane and Salah to most teams and they would be top 4
Nah, Leicester and Wolves yes. The test wouldn't.
At top level, 7 goals and 7 assists isn't enough tbh.
I'm not a frequent watcher of Leicester but what does he contribute outside of this as an offensive player? Wouldn't Bruno make more sense?
The fact that their current midtable team is miles better than the one that won the league 3 years ago really highlights how extraordinary that season was. It feels like a lifetime ago. So much has changed in just 3 years. I miss pre-Pep PL.
Is it? They had Mahrez and Kante then. Sure they had your Danny Simpsons and the like, but they had an extremely well balanced team.
I think its far more likely for James just to be passing through for a couple of seasons, if he plays well Madrid come calling again or someone else. I dont remember him playing a CM role before like Maddison did in the 2nd half of last season. I think its worth thinking about but longterm I think Maddison is a much better option even if James might be better for the next season or two.
Also James would be higher wages and our wages are already out of control
United's transfer history with Madrid, at least last summer wasn't good. Morata was rumoured to have price tag of almost 80 million before Lukaku was bought. Then Chelsea got Morata for less. So, I don't think Madrid would want to sell Hames to United, at least not at the rumoured price.
Kasper, Simpson, Huth, Morgan, Fuchs, Mahrez, Kante, Drinkwater, Albrighton, Okazaki, Vardy
Kasper, Ricardo, Maguire, Evans, Chilwell, Ndidi, Mendy, Albrighton, Maddison, Gray, Vardy
Take your pick. There's more rotation with the current one as guys like Choudhary, Barnes, Amartey & Ghezzal all get some game time.
I think it's fair to say the defence is miles better now.
Great fullbacks now but it's a disservice to say that IMO as Morgan and Huth were two fantastic classic old fashion, commanding rocks at the back all season long.
Yeah but remember you can't play attacking football without ball playing CBs...
Would prefer Maddison. Don't want short fixes either.
Leicester won the league with ruthless counter pressing and fast break goals.Yeah but remember you can't play attacking football without ball playing CBs...
That was a good example of how you can win the league without ball playing CBs.
Win the ball, fast counter, and boom, they were great.
Vardy was great that season, so was Mahrez. It wasn't a fluke..
The old team was better. Most importantly they had a cohesion that was the stuff or champions (literally) and the current side doesn't have anyone as good as Kante or Mahrez.
The current team is probably more progressive and headed in a good direction.
Nah, Maddison is better. People are hyping Bruno too much.
2016 team had 2 outstanding players in Kante and Mahrez, and a much better attacking system. Current team better balanced in midfield and defence, lacking the attack.
First season in the PL as a 21/22 year old and that too for Leicester. To me, everything cannot be summed up by statistics. He looks a technically excellent to me and seems to have a strong all round game - passing, through balls, shooting, set pieces etc. Appears to work hard as well. I find him more interesting than Bruno who appears to be more hyped due to peformances in a weaker league in his prime. I could be wrong but based on limited viewing, Maddison looks more exciting to me
Their recruitment is great considering their resources and pulling power. Mahrez, kante, vardy, ndidi and to a lesser extent maddison and Maguire were picked out of relative obscurity for small fees.
Level on points with West Ham, below Everton and Wolves??? They have Vardy. I think they are being overrated here. Arsenal do not have any one extraordinary and they are not West Ham level....
Without doubt as people only remember good performance from other clubs.
General rating is they have
better CB in Maguire + 1,
Ricardo Pereira is arguable best RB in the league,
Chilwell is better than Shaw
Ndidi is better than Matic
With all this and us having a stinker (also De Gea having below average season) they conceded just 6 less goals than us.
They also have better FBs who contribute a lot in attack, Maddison is very good, Vardy is better than all out strikers but somehow they scored 14 less goals than us. This is with so much drama surrounding club right from preseason.
They also had same defense minus Ricardo Pereira in 2017-18, they conceded 60 goals, ManUtd conceded 28.
They are good team no doubt but like you said, overrated too.
Their recruitment is down to not being able to get players from the top tier, hence they have to go for players that they can develop.
I'm not denying that their recruitment has been decent, just merely stating that the players they have gone for have been excellent players at teams generally below Leicester. They aren't exactly plucking these players out of obscurity just merely taking a punt, like United have with James this season.
You have scared me now. Do we really want their defenders?!?!
Usually not good to rate defenders based on their team performance but in this case we are saying all their defenders are better than what we have, including defensive mid but the goals conceded is not showing much difference.
You are absolutely spot on. Difference being, when Leicester signed him he was unproven at a PL level. Therefore his cost was significantly lower, as you would expect.
Further proof of this is shown with the costs quoted for AWB and Diop.
Scouting at a PL level is not that useful, unless you have almost infinite funds
Quite right, quite right. You bullies just leave little 'ol Leicester alone.
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Didn't say you are shit, just overrated when so many are better than ManUtd players but somehow it doesn't add up with you see goals scored and conceded.Quite right, quite right. You bullies just leave little 'ol Leicester alone.
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