Well Klopp seemed to think so too.James Robson is a hack.
Should have happened years ago.Do like how the vultures are finally circling over the club and going at it, you hate that its come to this, but I'm glad to see it.
These lines, especially the last one, stuck out. The fact we gave players like Jones and Andreas new contracts last season is laughable.Put it another way. Would Liverpool be champions of Europe, the world and on the verge of a record-breaking Premier League title if the decision-makers at United were calling the shots at Anfield?
For instance, what if Klopp had seen his board baulk at the valuations of Mohamed Salah, Virgil van Dijk or Alisson in the manner in which United are haggling over the price of Bruno Fernandes?
Imagine, for a second, that his overhaul of the squad he inherited from Brendan Rodgers was stalled by the decision to protect assets like Christian Benteke, Jose Enrique and Joe Allen.
Maybe, but I agree with him.James Robson is a hack.
But he is right. Klopp would have struggled here like all the managers post Fergie.James Robson is a hack.
If by 2 world class manager, you mean LVG and Mourinho then we had no world class managers. LVG hasn't been world class since the late 90s and Mourinho was on a clear decline since 2012. Now that still points to a problem with the people picking those managers but Liverpool record before Klopp wasn't exactly good.Maybe, but I agree with him.
We have had 1 manager chosen by Fergie, 2 World-class Manager and still, we have gone backwards. I doubt sacking Olli will change that either.
It's firmly the fault of people like Woodward who knows nothing of football and makes football decisions every day.
I honestly feel like this club is being sucked dry and we are not just falling behind but being stripped off everything.
Selling players without replacing them, was bound for failure. A Top team/club would never do that. The Owners and Woody has to take the blame.Should have happened years ago.
These lines, especially the last one, stuck out. The fact we gave players like Jones and Andreas new contracts last season is laughable.
Our fall from grace is of our own making.
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Perhaps, but it's not like he's an option anymore. Even if Klopp did come and did things right there would always be a section of the fans pointing out he didn't win CL or PL and wanting a change. There is no pleasing some people.Depends what succeeds means. Would he do better than Ole? Most definitely yes. No comparison. Would he have won the CL and a PL title? I doubt it.
Maybe it shouldn't have been Ole in the first place, which takes us back to the people making the decisions at the club.The problems are bigger than the manager, not sure how anyone can argue that if your either Ole in or out.
The issue is would we have given him the platform and the room to make the sort of decisions that he made at Liverpool? Its not about money only but if he had demanded that we cut Pogba off (hypothetical) would we have allowed him when we refused to allow a more accomplished manager, Jose, the freedom get rid of Martial? Do we have the competencies needed to pull off what Liverpool have pulled off in identifying talent and bringing it it?Klopp who has spent less than what United has in the same time would fail here. Makes total sense.
Perhaps you're right regarding Ole, but I can't see anyone coming in and doing significantly better. We simply can't coach our way out of some of the issues we have with this squad.Maybe it shouldn't have been Ole in the first place, which takes us back to the people making the decisions at the club.
Agree. The people running the club are our biggest problem and until that changes it might not get much better. There will likely be false dawn after false dawn.Perhaps you're right regarding Ole, but I can't see anyone coming in and doing significantly better. We simply can't coach our way out of some of the issues we have with this squad.
Not really, they created the structure in the year following his hiring which culminated with the nomination of Edwards as DOF 14 months after Klopp became manager. The structure wasn't in place, it was created based on his requirements after his hiring.Liverpool already had a pretty great foundation when Klopp joined. Obviously he's a fantastic manager but his success in a relatively short amount of time is absolutely built upon the work that preceded him and having the right structure in place for a good manager to thrive, similar to Pep at City, and before that Munich and Barcelona. They are both world-class generational talents, but their success doesn't exist in a vacuum, especially within the context of modern football.
I find it hard to buy into the notion that any manager in world football today would be a panacea for the malaise at United.
I dont think thats true. Liverpool had that farcical transfer committe going for over 3 years before he arrived, and the squad they created through that and through pandering to the whims of the previous manager was expesively assembled and bloated and lacking in real quality in many areas. Just look at the turn around over the last 4 years, they've culled that squad through necessity. The only signifcant pieces left are Henderson, Firmino, Gomez and Milner. They also added a whole new layer of their backroom and training team including the nutritionist and athletic trainer they took from Bayern.Liverpool already had a pretty great foundation when Klopp joined. Obviously he's a fantastic manager but his success in a relatively short amount of time is absolutely built upon the work that preceded him and having the right structure in place for a good manager to thrive, similar to Pep at City, and before that Munich and Barcelona. They are both world-class generational talents, but their success doesn't exist in a vacuum, especially within the context of modern football.
I find it hard to buy into the notion that any manager in world football today would be a panacea for the malaise at United.
I think he would have a tough time here working under ed and the Glazers. Any manager would and when ole is sacked he will agree too.No, he wouldn't.
What a moron.
For sure, I think my general point (without completely putting my foot in my mouth ) was that there was a willingness at that club to put football first, something I don't see at United at present.Not really, they created the structure in the year following his hiring which culminated with the nomination of Edwards as DOF 14 months after Klopp became manager. The structure wasn't in place, it was created based on his requirements after his hiring.
Divock Origi is shaking his fist at you right now.I dont think thats true. Liverpool had that farcical transfer committe going for over 3 years before he arrived, and the squad they created through that and through pandering to the whims of the previous manager was expesively assembled and bloated and lacking in real quality in many areas. Just look at the turn around over the last 4 years, they've culled that squad through necessity. The only signifcant pieces left are Henderson, Firmino, Gomez and Milner. They also added a whole new layer of their backroom and training team including the nutritionist and athletic trainer they took from Bayern.
But what it does show that with the right people, it's possible to change things dramaticlly within 2/3 years. It's just getting that right structure, it took Liverpool a long time and a few big missfires.
And that's something that I don't get. All our managers had significant demands whether it concerned the staff, the club infrastructure(training facilities) or even expensive players. The club has always tried to follow the managers, Butt made all the changes that he wanted as a director of the academy. So I have no reason to question the club's willingness to follow the managers/directors instruction. And the "football first" thing is an hogwash, outside of money there is no reason to not alter things in a way that suits a manager and this football club doesn't really care about money, we throw it as if it was burning our pocket. As I said in an other thread, I think that our managers have never wanted a different structure, they want to be involved in everything, play the SAF, and unlike Klopp didn't ask for a DOF or a structure that compensate for their weaknesses, we mainly hired narcissist which is on Woodward. I'm 100% sure that if we had hire Klopp we would be praising our current DOF.For sure, I think my general point (without completely putting my foot in my mouth ) was that there was a willingness at that club to put football first, something I don't see at United at present.
I don’t remember reading a more depressing sentence than that.Should have happened years ago.
These lines, especially the last one, stuck out. The fact we gave players like Jones and Andreas new contracts last season is laughable.
Our fall from grace is of our own making.