We've been garbage at international level for a very long time, it's not unique to our current crop of young players.
The so called golden generation, please!
John Stones | Performances
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The so called golden generation, please!
Both Luiz and Stones aren't too great.Don't see a single English journalist or pundit slaughtering him like they did with David Luiz. Wonder why that could be...
I honestly think Stones buys into his own hype. He dwells on the ball needlessly all the time and takes stupid risks. It even sometimes looks like he intentionally invites pressure just to show a trick or two with the ball at his feet.
He's a very good footballer (or can be when he's keeping it simple) but a terrible defender. I remember there was a thread here just before the season started asking who was better between Luiz and Stones. Most people agreed it is Luiz and based on what we've seen this season it's not close.
The problem with this lad is he's not very good at the things he should be good at in his position. I'd argue he'd be better off pushed into midfield, where he can get on the ball more and if he actually did try and run the ball out, it wouldn't be an absolute disaster losing it.
I agree with @Orc with him believing his own hype. That's what's hindered him massively. He should of stayed at Everton and learnt how to defend better for a few more seasons, before probably outgrowing the club. He thought he'd already outgrown the club, whilst not actually being a very good defender. Now he has a massive price tag slapped on him, he's moved too early to a big club and getting found out. I hope he doesn't do a Micah Richards and just fade into obscurity.
I agree with @Orc with him believing his own hype. That's what's hindered him massively. He should of stayed at Everton and learnt how to defend better for a few more seasons, before probably outgrowing the club. He thought he'd already outgrown the club, whilst not actually being a very good defender. Now he has a massive price tag slapped on him, he's moved too early to a big club and getting found out. I hope he doesn't do a Micah Richards and just fade into obscurity.
Hmm, I im in a minority then. Despite his flaws he is offensively miles ahead of any other english CB. For me he is still the best english defender.
Quite, at 22 he's a baby for a CB and being with the best coach in the business can't be a bad thing. He's going to learn quickly, despite some flaws there's an awful lot to like.
Admittedly I haven't watched much of him this season, but why are people writing him off/slating him? He's a 22 year old english cb that got the chance to work under Pep and be one of his main men. Who would say no to that? Was Pique even playing regularly at 22?
Pep encourages his players to play aggressive and to always try maintinaing possesioon which will result in more mistakes, especially for young player not used to pep's demands.
Pep encourages his players to play aggressive and to always try maintinaing possesioon which will result in more mistakes, especially for young player not used to pep's demands.
Anderson won a bunch of medals but it don't change the fact that he flopped
Flaws offensively? He's got far more flaws defensively, he's not improved that part of his game in the last 2 years at all. It looks like he should have stayed at Everton for another season and learnt to defend properly before making the step up. He just doesn't seem to have a defenders instinct, I've been surprised at just how many mistakes he's made in the games I've seen.
In fairness he is still very young and has time on his side to improve but the reality is that none of the current England centre half's are anywhere near world class and none of them would have got near an England squad in the last 15 years.
You make it sound like Everton were the holy great school of defenders. Or do you think a little bit of "Jagielka does it like this and that" would have helped him a lot?
Honestly even if he gets going I do not think that he'll be the kind of the defender that can shine in all formations. From my perspective, the opportunity to work under Pep was the best choice for him, since Pep's setup and Stones' style do match well.
But as I said he probably will never be a defender who could starr in a United team or the pre-Conte Chelsea teams.
Honestly even if he gets going I do not think that he'll be the kind of the defender that can shine in all formations. From my perspective, the opportunity to work under Pep was the best choice for him, since Pep's setup and Stones' style do match well.
But as I said he probably will never be a defender who could starr in a United team or the pre-Conte Chelsea teams.
I think that says more about English defenders than it does John Stones. He's got good potential but he's currently making way too many mistakes.
Yet you consider him England 1st choice centre half? Southgate is hardly going to set England up like Pep's City do.
You may well be right and only time will tell whether it was right for him to make the move last summer but from what I've seen so far I'm not convinced.
Stones being the best English defender at the moment is a bit far fetched! I will admit he has the potential to be, but right now he is a young defender capable of great games but far too many mistakes which is completely normal for most young players.
I don't agree with this. He holds onto the ball for far too long on many occasions. Sometimes it pays off and looks good but when it goes wrong it always leads to a chance for the other team as he's a center back. He doesn't seem to grasp calculated risks.
And as good as it is to have a ball playing center back its pretty pointless if they are not a great defender.
Luiz is the best CB in the PL right now.
I'd say they're equal. Brownie's made similar mistakes back then. He was so bad at times , him and Barthez were like the Stan and Olio of the football world
How does being the best offensively make you the best defender? That's absolutely ridiculous.
Is Lingard the best English attacker because he's the one that's best at contributing defensively?
Really? Best defender?
Indeed, it would seem so. Not quite sure how to label the best midfielder though... any ideas?
Personally I think we missed a bullet with this one. Shockingly poor at reading the game and i'm not convinced he ever will be.
Because as good as Pep is,he is not a miracle worker. It's not a Fifa like trajectory.Just because he is young doesn't mean he will suddenly get better with age.Sometimes players never reach the heights people think they will. That's usually more true than not with young players.
I don't think Stones is a good defender.It even precedes his time at City.
Shouldn't he be be good at...you know...defending?
Most of England's CB'a are shite at defending as well in fairness
Smalling is decent. Not the greatest ball player though.
Talking shite online? Quite a few here would make the cut then.
Quite possibly even world class. Of course, wing the best midfielder could also be about slipping
Michael Keane is better at defending than this guy..
Keano’s view (Daily Mail) of the Mönchengladbach goal:
Not even in the squad. Currently not playing.
50m..
Funny how people jump all over Pogba despite him actually playing well with ridiculous memes and articles yet this goes almost unoticed..
50m..
Funny how people jump all over Pogba despite him actually playing well with ridiculous memes and articles yet this goes almost unoticed..
Exactly, Pogba has actually done well imo. Not fantastic but well. His strength and presence in CM is what we have missed imo and he has chipped in with some important goals. Now we would hopefully expect more from Pogba in the future but he has to be given plenty of time.
About 4 or 5 who are better.
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Too bad he's shit at defending things.
Being the next Terry rather than Rio
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- Super but was worth it hah hope your not
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He has such a punchable face, maybe I don't like him because of that(apart from being overrated).
Footballers that bother hiding affairs are stupid imo. Just break up with your girlfriend ffs. The ladies they cheat with always talk.
He's been dating the same girl since he was 12? That is weird.