no point even talking to a poster like you then
Jonny Evans | 2011/12 Performances
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Yea, where's the fun in enjoying the good moments of a football match when there's moaning to be done elsewhere.
I enjoy them fine thanks but don't want to post/debate about them!!
Yes because they would both walk into any other top team in Europe.
It is because they have boring names like Evans, Gibson and Jones.
I have to admit though, even my muppet juices start to flow more when I hear us linked to a fancy foreigner that I have only seen play a handful of times rather than to an Ashley Young or James Milner.
That's where you show how clueless you are. You think every single centre-half at "any other top team in Europe" is better than Jonny Evans? Like feck they are.
Oh and Jonny Evans is a back-up to Rio and Vidic. He's not even supposed to be part of our best XI.
Yes sorry Pogue, I am clueless despite Utd shipping goals whenever a team really presses us, must be the full backs!!!
Vidic is 30 and has a cruciate, so we have no idea what he will be like when he gets back and Rio is well passed his best but still quality. Going into next season with Evans as 'back up' would be very short sighted.
I have not seen a Utd team look as vulnerable at the back for a very long time.
He is a defender, that opposition teams know is liable to make errors in any game and make no mistake City will target him, if he plays on Monday.
You're clueless.
He's a class act and will only get better. He's been our main man all season and we've conceded the second least amount of goals a third of which came in two matches; six when he was uncharacteristically sent off against City and four against Villa on Saturday. One brainfart he can take some responsibility for and the other he must share responsibility with the rest of his back line who were worse than him. 22 goals in the remaining 33 games says it all.
Fellaini caused us problems in the everton match , balotelli might give us problems with his height as felliani did.
People seem to think he's been dropped.
He's injured.
He's injured.
I see, makes sense then.
feck's sake. Annoying. Those bitter twats have no new injuries. But of course.
What injury? Sharky seems to be the only one who knows...
Not sure what injury specifically, I just know it was reported that he didn't train all of last week.
Which I've just noticed Aboutreika has posted above there.
Which I've just noticed Aboutreika has posted above there.
feck off Evans! Shambolic defending
Injury or not, Smalling mistake on the goal or not, we've got more of a chance.
He was in the starting XI according to ESPN. Must have have been a last second decision.
I think Evans was a really big loss yesterday.
Not so much for his defending as his ability on the ball. There were loads of occasions where the ball dropped to Smalling with nobody near him and he headed or booted it back upfield, straight to a City player. In the same situation Evans would have killed the ball and picked out a United player. I rate Smalling but he hasn't played in ages and he looked (unsurprisingly) rusty and nervous.
He only completed 18 out of 22 passes last night. Evans has averaged around 90% pass completion and 50 - 60 passes in most games. Even the last time we struggled as much as we did last night (against Wigan) Evans attempted 46 passes and completed 93% of them.
Not so much for his defending as his ability on the ball. There were loads of occasions where the ball dropped to Smalling with nobody near him and he headed or booted it back upfield, straight to a City player. In the same situation Evans would have killed the ball and picked out a United player. I rate Smalling but he hasn't played in ages and he looked (unsurprisingly) rusty and nervous.
He only completed 18 out of 22 passes last night. Evans has averaged around 90% pass completion and 50 - 60 passes in most games. Even the last time we struggled as much as we did last night (against Wigan) Evans attempted 46 passes and completed 93% of them.
I don't particularly think Evans would've made a massive difference yesterday. We saw how uncomfortable he looked in the Everton game, and I think we would have been even more vulnerable at he back with him playing yesterday. With the exception of the goal, Smalling wasn't actually too bad in all honesty.
Completed 46/51 passes (90%).
Like I said, it wasn't his defending we missed. It was his composure and ability on the ball. It puts so much more pressure on the team as a whole when we have a central defender who is making hasty clearances the whole time, instead of knocking it round at the back or picking a man out in midfield.
Bearing in mind that we had to do a fair bit of defending, the low number of passes completed by Smalling really stands out.
Well he didn't exactly looked composed on the ball in the Everton game, and I was worried about him because of the calibre of striker he would've been up against. In any other game, I would have agreed with you, but I really wasn't feeling confident with the prospect of Evans playing in this one.
Smalling is better on the ball than Evans, and brings more composure to the defence. Comparing the number of passes made between the Everton game and the city game is a bit stupid really considering City put more pressure on our midfield and defence than what Everton did, not to mention the team selection featuring Giggs and Park doesn't exactly help matters.
No he's not and no he doesn't.
Which explains why Fergie's picking Evans ahead of him throughout the whole season so far.
If you bothered to read the post I wrote when I bumped this thread you'll see that I didn't just compare the City and Everton games.
Would he have stopped Kompany getting to the ball for the winner? For lets face it, that is all that counted last night.
What complete and utter delusion
He's right though. Losing Evans was not just a matter of changing the defense but also getting the right formation and players in the right positions.
I suspect we'd have put Smalling at RB if Evans was fit and possibly Jones at deep lying CM to destroy play and cover for when Smalling or Evra go forward. Thus it sort of forced us to play likes of Park as we had very little alternatives.
Not getting into this with you. With any other poster I'd like to think that Evans excellent season - stepping up in Vidic's absence - would have taught some humility after all the drivel you've posted about him in the last two seasons.
With you, though, there's not a hope in hell of that happening so I'm not even going there.
Oh, you compared it to the Wigan game too? Well, point well made then
Of course defenders are going to have more of the ball and make more passes against the lesser teams, no shit.
Evans has been our worst player over the past 3 weeks. He was no loss.
Hard not to say he was a loss when his replacement made the mistake that cost us the game. Apart from that though I don't think he would have made much of a difference. The system we played helped protect our defenders.
Smalling made a big error there ...probably the only mistake in a whole match, he should not have left kompany 5 or 6 ft behind him.
I suppose that any defender knows to defend a corner better...evans included.
Excellent season?
I think you've repeatedly shown how neutral you are regarding this player - and Irish players in general. I think we sorely missed Richard Dunne yesterday... Vidic with pace alongside Rio and the setting was set
Evans wouldn't have made a bollock of a difference yesterday, but when it comes to him you seem a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
Just felt like bringing this back up again because I thought it was quite clear last night on a number of occasions that his touch is a bit hit-and-miss. He looks very elegant striding up the pitch and he's got a few silky touches up his sleeve but he does take risks, does dally on the ball and does miscontrol it considerably more than Evans, Vidic or Rio do, despite arguably looking a more stylish ball-player than any of our other defenders (now Rio's losing his pace). I wouldn't say he lacks composure or that he's even technically inferior, he's just a worse ball-player than those three. Misplaces passes more, takes heavier touches more often and generally causes more problems.
Smalling's pretty silky
My word
Evans got victimized in the air by Fellaini and Nikica fooking Jelavic but yeah, Kompany wouldnt have had a patch on him.
This whole "looking for scapegoats after defeats" thing is really annoying, posters thinking we always have all the cards at our disposal and any non-win is our fault. Face it boys, some teams nowadays are better than us whatever our disposition and team selection.
Evans has most definitely had an excellent season, he's been our best defender.Excellent season?
I think you've repeatedly shown how neutral you are regarding this player - and Irish players in general. I think we sorely missed Richard Dunne yesterday... Vidic with pace alongside Rio and the setting was set
Evans wouldn't have made a bollock of a difference yesterday, but when it comes to him you seem a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
He's not Irish, you massive spastic. Jonny Evans plays for Northern Ireland. I live in Dublin.Excellent season?
I think you've repeatedly shown how neutral you are regarding this player - and Irish players in general. I think we sorely missed Richard Dunne yesterday... Vidic with pace alongside Rio and the setting was set
Evans wouldn't have made a bollock of a difference yesterday, but when it comes to him you seem a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
You don't think Evans has had an excellent season? I reckon that's exactly what you would call it. Which one of our defenders has had a better one?Excellent season?
I think you've repeatedly shown how neutral you are regarding this player - and Irish players in general. I think we sorely missed Richard Dunne yesterday... Vidic with pace alongside Rio and the setting was set
Evans wouldn't have made a bollock of a difference yesterday, but when it comes to him you seem a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
None of our defenders have had an excellent season, hence we've conceded so many goals.
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