That was Liverpool-Everton wasn't it....
Jordan Pickford...
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That's one example of a good pass and one game with some passes. International football is totally different and much slower than PL football, England might play a half decent side once or twice a year. And only meet them competitively every 2 years or so.
If you look overall at his overall PL stats. His passing and ball playing ability is more comparable to that of Schmeichel or DDG and we all know how limited he is on the ball, he can't even get into Spain squad.
Pickford is very rash, is actually not really that good on the ball in high tempo games, and he's also not that good at sweeping or claiming high balls. Which Pope is so much better at. Nick Pope doesn't play that way at all for Burnley because of how they play. He might not be suited to playing the short game, but in a slower style of game he might over time. He won't get that in the PL.
Agree.
Let no1 down for England.
pope would be my choice too, he has been great for Burnley for years. Different games though I suppose, with England it’s sporadic action, with Burnley it’s constant shots and crosses!
Nah, it was an England game. It turns out I remembered slightly wrong. It didn't cost us qualification, but it was a last minute shot by Uribe in Colombia vs England that was going wide, but Pickford pushed it away anyway for a corner, from which Colombia equalised. It was praised as the save of the world cup, but it was going wide without his intervention, and his intervention resulted in a goal from the corner. An overhead view shows it most clearly.
I actually remember that. Wasn't that a shot from near the halfway line? I'll have to watch it again but given it was flying through the air at speed I'm not sure in a split second Pickford could've just left it and assumed it was going over the bar so better to be safe than sorry so think that's a harsh one to criticise him for.
We'll have to agree to disagree. I think you underestimate just how bad on the ball Pope is. He's pretty much useless. I'm going of watching Pickford for England. His stats for Everton are not something I'd consider as he may be being asked to play a different way for them. Personally I'm not much of a fan of Pickford as a player. It seems one of those weird things that he's been really good for England. If he does lose his place it will be to Ramsdale rather than Pope though.
I may be, but Pickford's ball playing ability is really being overstated. Neither of them is really that good on the ball and playing that short game in goal for England is going to be a piece of cake in about 90% of their matches. We've just not seen a lot of Pope playing in that kind of game. So it really very hard to judge his overall ability to adapt. They both play for clubs that prefer to go direct the majority of the time. If you look at the PL stats his passing is pretty much inline with Pickford's. 1st and 3rd for launched goal kicks, passing not including goal kicks Pope 704 / Pickford 759, both launch most of their passes. But, again Pope is so far ahead of him in almost every other metric. He does everything so much better than Pickford.
Yeah I remember it, there wasn't too many replays during the game because England conceded directly from the corner.
It was an absolutely thundercnut of a shot and I think most goalkeepers would be scrambling to get to it.
Yeah, every goalkeeper in the world would have done exactly the same (well, tried to. Many would have let it go behind purely because they couldn’t get anywhere near it)
Yup I don't rate him particularly highly but that's an insane "save" even if it's going slightly wide.
As you said I think most Goalkeepers are standing watching that fly by them and hoping it's off target.
At normal speed I think it looks even more impressive.
he's been England's best because no one else has been given much of a chance. In the past, club performances have determined selection - and Pickford has not been great for Everton (although he was very good last weekend). I happen to think others are better: in particular, Nick Pope
Dippers must loathe him 
Pope and (heresy to say so here, I know) Henderson. I wanted us to go for Pope but that was never happenning sadly
I don't know why english fans tend to mock this player. Everytime i watch he's an absolute match winner keeper. And is weird and charismatic like any good keeper should be.
Ramsdale got a chance in nations league v Hungary and conceded four.
Pope can also be a wall mode keeper aswell as we saw many years for Burnley but he's not very good with ball at his feet which Southgate wants.
Henderson could come back into contention given he's playing every week and his penalty saves will certainly be of interest.
He’s deffo underrated because he comes over like a bit of a twit. His performances for England have been quality and he’s mostly been good for Everton bar afew big mistakes. I don’t think he’s top top draw but he’s still a very good keeper.
He's good, and has the right amount of arrogance.
Good at stopping shots and kicking long. That's about it. He will have these kinds of performances once a in a while, but he's nowhere near an elite goalkeeper for me.
He's a cocky bugger but he arguably made the best ever save in goalkeeping history.
Agreed, more endearing than either Ramsdale or Henderson despite having similar clownish tendencies.
what save was that ?
The double save against Chelsea he tipped the first shot onto the post but then he scrambled across the goaline and stopped the rebound.
Not super flashy but just very good goalkeeping.
He's great. Total nutcase.
What's terrible is, he saved the penalty to put England through. So the novelty of England winning on pens is what got the praise. If England would have gotten through after this save, they'd be still replaying it.
Unreal shot stopper and yet still always has the air of when you go to a circus and watch the clowns try to put out a fire with buckets of silly string
oh ffs.
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Could you imagine if he had actually scored at the end!?
Holy fecking Christ... Would have been enough to end it all.
Varane should be knighted for his services to football.
Holy fecking Christ... Would have been enough to end it all.
Varane should be knighted for his services to football.
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Couldn't have happened to a nicer fellow.
Got something in my eye. That's lovely, what football really is about.
For all our wrongs, Everton is fantastic when it comes to stuff like this.
I usually do my meal prep on the weekends but I must have started prepping the onions early
Well done Harry you absolute legend! Brilliant of Everton to do that.
Football has some really redeeming qualities at times. Its not all bad.
Why does he look so chunky?
It's his fat ass.
I actually don’t mind the guy and think he’s a pretty decent goalkeeper, although he does dive like someone’s thrown him down the stairs..