Those are just two players. We had Martial, Rashford, Lukaku, Pogba. Then half decent players on their day like Sanchez, Lingard and Mata. We had far more firepower than this Spurs side.
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anytime Kane gets injured they nosedive but most of all I’d just say the squad has been Jose’d over the season. All the joy goes out of a club playing defensive every week.
Disagree completely and this is one of the biggest gripes I have who still rate Jose.
Spending huge amounts is fine, and I believe you need to spend big amounts to win big things. However, it needs to be sustainable in terms of the players you're buying - their age profile, potential resale value and so on.
Even at Utd, Mou bought in Matic to a side that already had Valencia, Young, Mata, Herrera, Smalling, Zlatan, Mkhi, etc.
All these guys had 2-3 seasons left at best left in them. What he needs to be buying is a long term replacement so that the next 2-3 years are spent replacing these older players instead of replacing both these players as well as the new signings.
Next season it was Perisic, Boateng.,etc. You cant afford to spend a huge amount on them as there is no way you'll be given a 200m warchest every single time.
Now compare that to Pep's signings. Sane, Gundogan, Cancelo, etc. Even the flops he managed to sign, most of them returned back a significant percent of the transfer fee thanks to age being on their side
Don't be silly. Every team needs luck to win a UCL. We actually had won the EL the year before so it even makes it more difficult. You were extremely lucky to knock us out in 2008 so, by the same metric, you should never have won the CL too.
If anything, Daniel Levy deserves to be sacked for hiring Mourinho. This despite knowing his issues at other clubs over the last few years.
Mourinho spent 370m at United in just 2 years
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...hester-united-jose-mourinho-signings-15127455
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...hester-united-jose-mourinho-signings-15127455
Well said.
He's always been about short term success and then runs with a big goodbye cheque. Likely made more money being sacked than actually being in a job.
Mourinho has been declining since he left Madrid. Its a ridiculous to say he was never a great manager though. Treble with Inter, what more do you want?
All the joy seems to have been sucked out of him since leaving Madrid. After how awful he was in 15/16 at Chelsea and the Eva shambles was surprised he got Utd job and even more surprised Spurs after.
He's joyless, bitter and deluded. If he ever takes a break from football and gets his joy back, maybe we'll one day see the old Mourinho back.
All the joy seems to have been sucked out of him since leaving Madrid. After how awful he was in 15/16 at Chelsea and the Eva shambles was surprised he got Utd job and even more surprised Spurs after.
He's joyless, bitter and deluded. If he ever takes a break from football and gets his joy back, maybe we'll one day see the old Mourinho back.
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We do need a bit of luck and even fergie has said that but is it not possible to be reasonably more lucky for a period of time. Also point still stands regarding the players — he doesn’t have the access to the unbelievable talent, whom more importantly bought into his ideas.
Other teams got match fitness after a lack of pre-season.
Seriously though, a lot of factors, injuries, Son not sustaining his unsustainable form, which all the data suggested he wouldn't, and sacrificing your world class striker to act as a deep lying playmaker looks pretty ridiculous in hindsight. What they were doing was never going to continue, what changed is the results began matching the performances. Only creating 2 chances a game just isn't a viable strategy anymore.
Very very good point Rui Faria was Jose's right hand man.
The last season they worked together, they finished 2nd in the league. Since then, things have gone downhill.
He could fall out with Kane or Son so we could get them somehow on loan or whatnot. Levy wont allow that anyway though:-(
Agree with the general sentiment but didn’t we beat you in the 2008-2009 campaign (when we lost the final to Barcelona)?
Poch didnt get money to spend when he was there.. the squad needed an overhaul..
Jose came in, spent money.. will leave a broken squad playing rubbish football..
People will defend him saying the squad was rubbish and there is no way he could have done any more..
Seen it all before.
Jose came in, spent money.. will leave a broken squad playing rubbish football..
People will defend him saying the squad was rubbish and there is no way he could have done any more..
Seen it all before.
We didn't knock you out in 2008. It was in 2009 and we didn't win CL that year.
That would be ridiculous. This squad suited Jose to the tee, apart from the lack of defensively solid fullbacks and maybe a defensive mid. There should be no excuses for him this time.
Aside from all of the banter value which he will bring till his sacking - unless Levy pulls another rabbit out of the hat a la Poch - Jose has made sure that top 4 has one less challenger for the next couple of seasons.
You do get the feeling that he has nothing going for him if he loses that League Cup final. To go from top of the table at the end of November(?) to 9th now is pretty embarrassing.
Even if they win the League Cup, is that trade off worth it? They were a consistent top 4 side under Poch.
Even if they win the League Cup, is that trade off worth it? They were a consistent top 4 side under Poch.
Would love to hear which manager won titles as consistently as Jose but did it without access to unbelievable talents who bought into his ideas.
Another classic Roonster09 beatdown. When will they learn?
Don’t think Wenger, Fergie, Pep and lots of managers before whom had set up their team excellently and won trophies at a canter, repeatedly. Anyway, the caveat was; that it was an unpopular opinion and perhaps be taken with a grain of salt. Of course he was a good manager but the je ne sais quoi that he had, is now well and truly gone. Call it, luck, philosophy, ideas or individual players, it all dried up for Jose.
Again, who? I've never seen any. Maybe I need to lurk more here... Though I can barely stand the tripe I go through on the caf as it is
You big him up and loved him since last season. I think lot of people in here could see this outcome, never ending well with the guy but just bring disaster. A short term manager working with spurs budget after witnessing Pochettino football, he‘s just not the guy for spurs.
Spurs have NDombele and players just as 'useful' as the 3 you mentioned in Bale, Alli and Moura
The luck you had vs Utd was absolutely insane.
1st leg regular goal disallowed
2nd leg you get a free kick in the last minutes of the game that looked more like a foul in attack and then proceeded to score from it because of a goalkeeping howler.
That's some crazy, crazy luck
This old myth again.
Jose's spent less than Poch did in his final summer. He spent plenty, but you wouldn't think it because most of the players he asked for were awful and slipped into an expensive black hole.
The four clubs directly above Spurs also have at least one game in hand which would put them all above Liverpool - never mind "one point behind" - if they were to win.
West Ham, Everton and Aston Villa are three of those clubs. Spurs are behind all of them with same games played or even more games played than them.
And in the first game? You scored in the first attack you made in a rebound and we missed dozens of chances through deflections and such through the entire game.
Without luck you would have lost much more than just 2-1, you were happy with the result.
We made 18 shots and you did 4.
In the second game you made 3 shots and we made 9.
The Fergubus was lucky in the first game but luck couldn't save you always, we were lucky with the disallowed goal of course but we were easily the better team in both matches.
Fair enough.. checked .. I mustve been thinking of the year before when they spent nothing. I just remember thinking Poch was doing a good job but not getting backed.. that is probably where that came from.
Perhaps he was referring to the abhorrent red cards Deportivo got against you, or the wrongly disallowed goal from Scholes on the second leg.
Even our players complained of the red card of Deportivo because it was a friendly touch on Deco on his old teammate, Deco told the referee this but he was dense. And in this game we were also not awarded a clear penalty.
SO yes we were lucky with the referees sometimes but it's not like it was a one in a million thing, we were the best team in all those games.
And it could have been 18-4 if we took all our chances. Why selecting the only other good chance in had in the game (2 shots on target) but not all our chances?
Again look at the chances. Most of your chances were long shots going way wide or not even testing the keeper. You had 2-3 decent chancesAnd it could have been 18-4 if we took all our chances. Why selecting the only other good chance in had in the game (2 shots on target) but not all our chances?
2-3 decent chances, actually 4 alone in the 1st half considering the goal too, how is that not much better than what you got in the whole game?
Can you remind the penalty shout you're talking about, I don't even remember it. I do remember Naybet getting a second yellow though, when Ferreira tripped on him (Naybet was stepping back, there is way way it was intentional, it wasn't even a foul - Ferreira didn't have the ball)
True, quite crazy really, but would teams like Spurs that are striving to get to the next level really refuse Mourinho? His name and CV are probably what attracted Levy to him.
Well, we have better players now because Ole developed, coached and managed them well but Mourinho himself was the one who said he had better players at spurs with Kane than us in the all or nothing documentary.
Hahaha what? I think you should see the 2008 ties again mate.
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