Is Kai going to be sat with the players every game?easy for Jose and Rui to get in the face of the ref and our own players
Jose Mourinho's Utd
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straight to the youth team...
We still don't look like a team that will score goals imo.
we certainly don't but that's with all Mourinho's team in the beginning, solid defence first. I think we might win some cup this year and slowly introduce some attacking game over year, Jose might rotate players according to their form as it looks like there is no standout player to start with and stick with him.. also Pogba = goals and strong midfield so I think we will start a bit disorganized but even stronger than now and slowly build on that, we will see
Anybody who thought we will turn into one was misguided. You create chances and score goals through either having top, top players and by that I mean Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez quality, of which there are only 5 or 6 in the world. If not, you create chances through continuity of style and ideas, a team that has been playing a certain way and developing together for a long time like Arsenal, Dortmund and maybe even Bayern. Or you can do that through sheer risk by simply opening up and going for it the way City did under Pellegrini. The problem with that is that due to its lack of structure, it leaves you too exposed. We can't attract the Neymars of this world clearly. Mourinho is not the Wenger or Klopp type who works on a clear offensive structure for a long time to nurture it and feed it until it develops to that required level and he surely is no risk taker, nor should he be to be fair.
There's, like, movement and stuff.
Rooney and Ibrahimovic shouldn't be playing together.
was always grumpy.
"They are sat on chairs that have been specifically positioned right by the touchline, in front of the existing dugout.". As if they could do it by mistake.
He moved to the chairs because Rooney jr took his place.
look right into the ref's eyes when he turns his way"They are sat on chairs that have been specifically positioned right by the touchline, in front of the existing dugout.". As if they could do it by mistake.
Well we looked better when they were on the pitch tonight.
Weren't the chairs because there was 12 players on the bench, 13 if you include Kai? I'd assume it'll be back to normal at the first home game
Away from home they probably won't. Especially if we sign Pogba.
Thought they looked really good together tonight personally.
The most interesting thing about Mou's United has been the absence of a holding player. In all our pre-season games the midfield two have taken turns to press high or screen the back four.
Mourinho has only played this way once in his managerial career, at Madrid. Plus that was only outside of the very big games, and only once he learned to trust Modric. I guess he feels, like at Madrid, United expect to attack 9 times out of 10.
I was fully expecting him to go down the route of a specialist #6. And to some extent Schneiderlin did this in the games he's played. When Carrick and Herrera have been paired both have played box to box. Both have come to get the ball off defenders, both have had licence to get forward, both have made tackles. I have been really surprised by that.
Mourinho has only played this way once in his managerial career, at Madrid. Plus that was only outside of the very big games, and only once he learned to trust Modric. I guess he feels, like at Madrid, United expect to attack 9 times out of 10.
I was fully expecting him to go down the route of a specialist #6. And to some extent Schneiderlin did this in the games he's played. When Carrick and Herrera have been paired both have played box to box. Both have come to get the ball off defenders, both have had licence to get forward, both have made tackles. I have been really surprised by that.
Fitness first. Gameplan second. Not much can be taken from any of these games. He would have sent the team out with basic shapes and direction. Some players would have been told to run more to gain fitness others to sit back to preserve energy.
You could hear Jose telling players when to pressure when to stand off and he seemed to enjoy the training aspect of the game. By Rooneys comments after the game he has entrusted the attacking players to show thier ability so it will take them time to learn each others game. It will come not to worry. The first half we were excellent and were absolutely dominant exactly what I would expect from Joses United. We need to now start being more precise with our play.
Second half was more experimental and didnt work however I saw potential in some of the players added into the first half team.
You could hear Jose telling players when to pressure when to stand off and he seemed to enjoy the training aspect of the game. By Rooneys comments after the game he has entrusted the attacking players to show thier ability so it will take them time to learn each others game. It will come not to worry. The first half we were excellent and were absolutely dominant exactly what I would expect from Joses United. We need to now start being more precise with our play.
Second half was more experimental and didnt work however I saw potential in some of the players added into the first half team.
Was impressed with Ibra tonite thought his control on the ball around the box was great was always looking to bring other players into the game it'll take time for the other players to get used to actually playing with a striker that does that. It's massive how much of a difference carrick makes to our team as well. As for the defence I can't help but enjoy watching blind at the back I don't wanna enjoy watching him he's not a centre half and I keep saying to myself we need a proper vidic like centre half to play beside the likes of Smalling and Bailey but blind just keeps impressing me on the ball he's one of the best we have he reads the game so so good! Valencia seems to be playing some what decent again actually getting his balls into the box of the ground for once helps that. Pogba will make a huge difference to the side when he comes in also I'm looking forward to the season!
I noticed this too. Herrera obviously is more mobile than Carrick but Carrick has that eye for a killer pass. He looks rejuvinated in this system and the first half team was mostly what I expect we will play like. Unfortunately for me I think Scniederlin looks completely out of his depth. His passing range can be poor and he seems to lack awareness, Carrick suffered from it in Fergies last years but if you press Schnierdlin you basically push us back and we cant get out of defence. However it could be because in that second half we had Fellaini as his go to out ball and Jones along side Rojo. I mean how we are supposed tonplay out of the press with that lot is anyones guess.
First half was great I loved the interplay. Everyone was full of ideas it just lacked that rythem and knowledge of each others game that will come game after game. Ibra looks like he will be essential as he has that flair and focal point of the team to pick tjings up and do something fresh he eally is fantastic. I want to see Mhiki play in that first half team.
Agree, was very surprised that we weren't linked to any of the very good DM's available this window tbh. Think we still need one, mind, especially if we are going to play a midfield two.
Agree. They seem to want to play in the same space much of the time. I can see Rashford regularly coming off the bench trying to rescue us if Mourinho's first choice pairing is Rooney + Zlatan.
I think it's the lack of understanding and creativity among the players.
What I've understand about Mourinho, is that he lets the players be more creative and free in the last third. They might have some structural and rehearsed movement. Like the striker coming down to create space for the winger to run in to, Fellaini always moving towards the back post on crosses or some other basic stuff. But for most of it, I think they are free to create and help them self.
I'm sure Mourinho will bring up the lack of movement in the last third during their next session though.
I don't necessarily disagree. My point however is that just telling players to go ahead and have fun rarely works in modern football. Modern defences are good enough to deal with it. If you have Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez and Neymar in your lineup, sure! That can work as it does currently for those teams (in the case of Real, not nearly as much as Barcelona as they can be shut down more often). Fergie believed in that as well and it did work in the PL but we saw how easily we could be shut down in Europe before Ronaldo came along. As I said before, creativity and goal galore comes either through the calibre of players that Barcelona has which is something not going to happen for us. If you have reasonably top quality players and a solid team, it can come through coaching, developing, continuity, etc . like Klopp and Tuchel did with Dortmund, Wenger with Arsenal or Pochettino with Spurs last year. Mourinho has never been that kind of manager which is why whereas I expect us to be more competitive and play with more tenacity, I would be very surprised if we start watching a team high on creativity.
Maybe jose is out-of-date like van gaal?
Young managers like Tuchel and Klopp instantly changed their team with given resources unlike jose.
Or maybe, our 1st team squad is out of balance and is full of average players.
Young managers like Tuchel and Klopp instantly changed their team with given resources unlike jose.
Or maybe, our 1st team squad is out of balance and is full of average players.
Passing around the box in the first half seemed more incisive and accurate than anything I have seen for a long time. Definitely some things to look forward too.
I am not Mourinho's biggest fans but when did Klopp or Tuchel "instantly" change a team? Tuchel took a team that has been working with Klopp for years playing a highly coached and structured style of football. Klopp also did not turn Dortmund overnight. He did not win the title with them until his third year. Mourinho, like LvG and even Moyes took a team that did not play with a coherent identity. We were competitive and very strong in certain areas but coherent and fluid, we were not for about 7 or 8 years now. Unless we had Barcelona's front three, there was and is no way we would start playing fluid football from the get go with any manager. That's not to say we can't be competitive and successful though.
There were too many times where both dropped deep, and then had no one up front to slip through.
It could come good with time as they get used to each other, though.
Im being honest, but Jose looks so bored here. .
.With Zlatan and Rooney we are basically playing two 9,5s. It works great if one of them or both players are Mobile/pacy, but Rooney and Zlatan isn't.
I have always seen Mkhitaryan as a mix between a attacking midfielder and SS. I think he would fit perfectly behind Zlatan.
I have always seen Mkhitaryan as a mix between a attacking midfielder and SS. I think he would fit perfectly behind Zlatan.
I would like to see Rashford 9 and Martial 9.5 with Mikhi a 10.
looking forward to Sunday's match.
Wut?
That's basically Fellaini's thing, his chest is velcro and the cnut's a giant. You smash it at the fecker, that's how.
My god the pace and skill!
If things go tits up with wingers we can always experiment with a 3-5-2/4-4-2 diamond. Great to have the option at least.
The impression is that for this team, even with Pogba, will be really hard to get the 4th place.
Too weak defensively
In the mid there is a lack of quality and balance
Upfront, on the left, we play with Martial but we would need an offensive midfielder with a great dribbling and an assistman attitude, not a striker who plays on the left
And Rooney it's a problem
It will be a long and difficoult road.
Too weak defensively
In the mid there is a lack of quality and balance
Upfront, on the left, we play with Martial but we would need an offensive midfielder with a great dribbling and an assistman attitude, not a striker who plays on the left
And Rooney it's a problem
It will be a long and difficoult road.
It's early but looked so average. I'd be worried about Mourinho's attack if he continues to play a combination of Lingard, Rooney, and Zlatan together. Zlatan is class, but the other two players are sub par. Hope Mhki and Pogba can slot in for the other two and then we'd have a chance at winning something. Hoping it's just that Jose doesn't want to give his tactics away and is keeping the good stuff for when the season starts. Doubt it though.
There is only a 4 years age difference between Klopp and Jose. But a massive gulf in terms of trophies/championships won.
My hope is that Mourinho keeps tweaking the first eleven here and there, which will be understandable to begin with. Then he uses that as reason to drop Rooney in a couple of those tweaks, which won't look out of the ordinary for the Rooney adoring English press and general public. Once the Rooney-less teams do great (or the ones where he isn't playing 10), he sticks with that. That plan could easily be executed within a month or two of the season. That said if Rooney miraculously regains form I'll be happy for him, really whatever makes the strongest and most exciting team I'll be satisfied. I can't wait to see how the season unfolds.
Nah in reality our squad's quality is crap
Before we start ripping apart Jose's Manchester United, let's remember the following things:
We've had a shocking pre-season thus far with very little football matches played.
Player fitness and movement aren't at desired levels yet and it takes time to learn how your new team mates play.
We haven't finished strengthening the team yet so we don't have our desired starting eleven at this stage.
I suggest folk start preparing for a bumpy start to the season. We've not had the best preparation and we're going to struggle, not for too long hopefully!
We've had a shocking pre-season thus far with very little football matches played.
Player fitness and movement aren't at desired levels yet and it takes time to learn how your new team mates play.
We haven't finished strengthening the team yet so we don't have our desired starting eleven at this stage.
I suggest folk start preparing for a bumpy start to the season. We've not had the best preparation and we're going to struggle, not for too long hopefully!
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