No point in saying this now because if you're wrong, I won't remember that you said it in order to laugh at you.
Jude Bellingham | Real Madrid player
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He's made the right decision for his career every step of the way thus far, supposed Utd fans who still bleet on about the business from years ago are little weirdos. Simply looking for a reason to slag the club off.
He did come and listen to United's offer and turned it down. What else could Utd possibly do to convince him? What promises were required back then in your opinion to turn his head? More money? 1st team spot? If u have the chance do it all over again what proposal you can do to convince him his future will be better with Utd than 2 year development with BVB?
Timing is everything in football. When Pogba was available for Madrid they had Modric and Kroos in midfield. I doubt Madrid would have paid 100m for a 20 year old midfielder if they had 2 great midfielders in their prime. They would have probably gone for a striker this summer.
Let's be honest. If he came here instead of Dortmund we would have completely stalled his development and potentially ruined what he is becoming.
But the way he has settled into Madrid is quite amazing especially at his age.
But the way he has settled into Madrid is quite amazing especially at his age.
I think you’re attempting to come at it as if I’m saying United had a right to get him which isn’t the case. We had a midfield of McFred & he was [apparently, who knows what to believe] not offered guaranteed minutes ahead of those 2.
Whether it be money or minutes or whatever you want to name United should have made him a Godfather offer as [once again check my post history this isn’t based on his start at Real] the type of player you do that for.
It’s similar to the Haaland fiasco for me. United keep negotiating as if it were 2005. Bellingham not choosing current day united is wholly understandable but if we had that time again you buy him at near enough all costs & shape the rest of your transfers around him.
Is it coming home?
Not to my home anyway, that's for sure.
I don't know if he would have completely stalled, but we certainly wouldn't be seeing the same output. He is so well set up to be the main man at Madrid with so many world-class midfielders around him, it ensures he doesn't have to do too many things and can focus in being the creative outlet and a source of foals (something England seem to be trying to replicate). With us, I can imagine him being expected to do everything, because the people behind him in particular aren't sufficiently reliable.
He is nowhere near GOAT material and this hyperbole needs to end.
I was more talking about this fanbase while he was at dortmund. Countless people didn't think we needed him.
Yeah the Birmingham thing is a whole different story
Talk about jumping the gun. He’s got a long way to go to even be as good as R9 at that age never mind Messi.
Dude, the hyperbole needs to be encouraged. The boy is special, although it's crazy premature to bring him up in any GOAT conversation.
I may have made myself unclear: Belingham will never be as good as Messi or R9, but he will very likely be the best footballer of his time and multiple Ballon winner.
Apologies for a liberal use of GOAT, I meant - best player of his era, not - literally best ever. We will not see somebody as good as Messi for a very long time, possibly - never
What he's doing is crazy tbh.
I was casually watching the game today and even though he got seemingly shut down for most of the game I was fully expecting him to drag Madrid out of a loss, probably to a win.
The way he did it reminds me of that Prime Cristiano feeling where you just know it's a matter of time he delivers.
Whether he can keep this up for the whole season, or even multiple ones, remains to be seen but the guy has the aura of an all-time great.
I was casually watching the game today and even though he got seemingly shut down for most of the game I was fully expecting him to drag Madrid out of a loss, probably to a win.
The way he did it reminds me of that Prime Cristiano feeling where you just know it's a matter of time he delivers.
Whether he can keep this up for the whole season, or even multiple ones, remains to be seen but the guy has the aura of an all-time great.
did you not see Pogba on the biggest stage at the world cup with France??
He is amazing, but he will never be in any GOAT conversations and that's okay.
Technically do you think Pogba is a better midfielder than Jude? Now seeing how Pogba played for France and Juve, how do you think he would do in a team with superior players like Madrid?
they dont wanna hear that .
We played him next to McTominay and expected him to be defensive mid/operator of the offense/ and a goal scorer
. And what did we do after he left? Buy Casemiro who is the type of mid Pogba needed his whole time he was hereWhen does this cycle end?
Pogba needs Casemiro to free him up.
Casemiro needs Amrabat to free him up.
Bruno needs ABC to free him up.
The cycle just continues. Nearly all our midfielders need someone else to free them up?
Because the midfield is incomplete. Or at least players arent being properly coached on how to play their roles. why doesnt this issue happen, at city, liverpool, arsenal?? Bc they religiously go out and get players. If it dont work they try another player. Those also have good scouting departments too. Something we grossly lack. And Casemiro doesnt need freeing, him and amrabat do the same thing
but i digress this is a thread about Jude. He's bloody brilliant. What hes doing at Madrid is crazy
Somebody having a better touch doesn't make them a better player. Much more important parts of somebodys game are how they apply their talent. Pogba was a quality player, but he is nowhere near as effective as Jude. Defensively not close, energy, end product, mentality... Bellingham is a truly elite player. Pogba never quite got there.Technically do you think Pogba is a better midfielder than Jude? Now seeing how Pogba played for France and Juve, how do you think he would do in a team with superior players like Madrid?
they dont wanna hear that .
We played him next to McTominay and expected him to be defensive mid/operator of the offense/ and a goal scorer
Ok ok. Im not gonna argue. You obviously made up your mind and thats ok.
We've seen players shine at the world cup and have forgettable or disappointing careers otherwise. James Rodriguez comes to mind. Club football week in, week out, the CL, 55 games, not 6 or 7, that's where great players show up in modern football.
Also Pogba wasn't one of France's standout players at the world cup. He was decent to good, nothing more. He wasn't in the team of the tournament. I believe his world cup has become overrated over time because people remember his goal in the final, when France were already up 3-1 against a knackered team leaving lots of spaces to come back in the game.
That being said, he was good at Juve and I'm not saying he couldn't have been good at Madrid.
Roy of the rovers stuff from him. A long shot equaliser and a last minute winner.
What a fecking player.
What a fecking player.
As I have said before, he wouldn't be a tenth of the player he is today had he come here. Going to BVB was the best decision he could make.
Players like him, Haaland, and Mbappe are above our station.
Greatest Of All Time.
There’s no possible “liberal use” of it, the saying GOAT literally one has meaning and that is to say he’s material to be better than than Messi, Maradona, Pele, Ronaldo7, Ronaldo9 & anyone else who has ever played the game.
I'm not a native speaker but "greatest" can be plural, can't it?
Not the first time I've seen the term used like this anyway.
It's such a shame we're not back in the SAF days, but maybe there'll be a bright side? Maybe other top European sides see how well he and Kane are doing and decide to make an offer for Rashford out of blind 'English bias'?
One can dream...
One can dream...
Agreed, people act as if we could have signed the likes of Jude and Haaland, ignoring the fact that the player makes the final choice and United were not the best option. Even people talking about Kane this summer, it was evident he was leaving Spurs to win league titles and have a shot at winning the CL, and that's not something moving to United would do for him.
I think what it does show though is the pernicious damage that was caused in the years before. The poor running of the club after SAF and Gill's departure (and arguably, recruitment and the structure of the club was falling behind whilst they were still at the helm) knocked us back so much that it's hard to recover from. If we had been better run after 2012 then in the preceding years we might have been able to sign Jude, Kane, Haaland and others later on.
At 20 years-old killing it at the most prestigious football club in the world. If the rumours are true and we did tell him (or his representatives) that we couldn't offer him minutes ahead of McFred... don't know whether i should be laughing or crying. Anyway, good day for English players abroad. One decided the El Classico and the other had a hat trick and scored a worldie.
During his time at Dortmund, he was reported for toxic behavior and attitude problems. Ancelotti is managing him perfectly. It is crucial for talented players to play under the correct manager at the right time.
I see you've temporarily abandoned the 'doesn't show up in big games' gambit when trying to throw shade on a guy not long out of his teens.
I think we did try but none of these players are interested in joining us.
He is just brilliant
The best Irishman to play in La Liga.
World class. Probably the best MF in the world right now.
Mark Goldbridge classic?
Dont worry Guys, we will sign him when he will around 33-34..