Kalvin Phillips | City Player (West Ham loan watch)

[Jimble]

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Bit of a flashy statement for a loan move.

 

[Rossa]

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That's so cringe. I couldn't finish watching it. Damn.

 

[BabySinclair]

They have Soucek and Alvarez.....a weird move for him to play there much more than at Manchester City in my opinion.

 

[DWelbz19]

Placeholder until they get their real midfield target from Manchester in the summer.

 

[DJBillRemfry]

They have Soucek and Alvarez.....a weird move for him to play there much more than at Manchester City in my opinion.

He'll probably play every game if available.

----------------Phillips ---- Alvarez (Soucek)
--------Kudus---------JWP--------Paqueta
-------------------------Bowen

Phillips doesn't have Soucek's presence in each penalty area, but should be a significant improvement in between.

 

[77]

If I was Pep I'd be telling him I don't want to see you in any poses doing that cringy cross arm thing that westam fans do.

 

[RedRocket9908]

It seems Kalvin is a bit unhappy with Pep

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[BlueMoonOutcast]

If the greatest manager of all time tells you you're above target weight you work your ass off to bring it down. What kind of mentality is this?

 

[adexkola]

If the greatest manager of all time tells you you're above target weight you work your ass off to bring it down. What kind of mentality is this?

When did SAF say this?

Otherwise you are absolutely correct. Players wanting to be babied think differently... Look in the Sancho thread

 

[SuperiorXI]

If that's his attitude he will never make it at the top level

 

[WeePat]

If the greatest manager of all time tells you you're above target weight you work your ass off to bring it down. What kind of mentality is this?

I think the issue here is that he told the whole world. We can have our opinions on whether sending messages through media is a good or bad thing, every manager does it, but I think players are right to feel annoyed or negatively impacted by it. He said it dented his confidence.

 

[Hammondo]

Is he going to break into the first 11?

 

[RedRocket9908]

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[Nero]

I think everyone in the world could have told him he would barely kick a ball for City.

 

[Cee90]

Imagine if a manager said that about Sancho

 

[RedRocket9908]

I think everyone in the world could have told him he would barely kick a ball for City.

I think City signing him was probably more about stopping other clubs signing him than them actually wanting him themselves.

 

[WeePat]

I think City signing him was probably more about stopping other clubs signing him than them actually wanting him themselves.

Why would they want to stop other clubs from getting him? It’s Kalvin Phillips. Hardly the needle mover for any of City’s rivals.

 

[RedRocket9908]

Why would they want to stop other clubs from getting him? It’s Kalvin Phillips. Hardly the needle mover for any of City’s rivals.

He was highly rated when City signed him

 

[adexkola]

I think everyone in the world could have told him he would barely kick a ball for City.

If he could deputize effectively for Rodri he'd still be there.

 

[horsechoker]

Why would they want to stop other clubs from getting him? It’s Kalvin Phillips. Hardly the needle mover for any of City’s rivals.

It could either be KP would have improved rivals or Pep was doing that thing where he pretends to rate a player so that gullible United pay big money for a dud.

E.g. Sánchez, Maguire, Fred

 

[BlueMoonOutcast]

When did SAF say this?

Otherwise you are absolutely correct. Players wanting to be babied think differently... Look in the Sancho thread

Haha! I debating wording that differently but couldn't help myself.

But yeah, poor mentality in my opinion.

 

[Hammondo]

He was highly rated when City signed him

Was he? By whom?

 

[48 hours]

Was he? By whom?

Southgate

 

[Hammondo]

Southgate

Well that means nothing.

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

I think City signing him was probably more about stopping other clubs signing him than them actually wanting him themselves.

I strongly suspect he did that with Grealish. Spent 100 mill on a player who didn't seem like a Pep-style player at all, then sat him on the bench for most of his first season while he figured out how to use him.

The Kalvin Philips one is strange, I never thought he'd be good enough for City, plus he's not nearly good enough to buy just to prevent rivals getting him!

 

[SAFMUTD]

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Doesn't seem too smart to be making those statements burning bridges with Pep, specially considering how awful he's been at west ham in his loan.

 

[RedRocket9908]

I strongly suspect he did that with Grealish. Spent 100 mill on a player who didn't seem like a Pep-style player at all, then sat him on the bench for most of his first season while he figured out how to use him.

The Kalvin Philips one is strange, I never thought he'd be good enough for City, plus he's not nearly good enough to buy just to prevent rivals getting him!

Liverpool were heavilly linked with Kalvin Phillips at the time and were in desperate need of midfield re-inforcements so it made sence for City to sign him to stop Liverpool who were their nearest challengers from getting him.

 

[Halftrack]

If the greatest manager of all time tells you you're above target weight you work your ass off to bring it down. What kind of mentality is this?

When did Ferguson tell him he was overweight?

 

[GlasgowCeltic]

If the greatest manager of all time tells you you're above target weight you work your ass off to bring it down. What kind of mentality is this?

The kind of stuff thatd have the Sky pundits calling him a bad egg in the dressing room that needs shipping out, if he was foreign. But Kalvins a good lad who works his socks off etc

 

[SAFMUTD]

I know city doesn't miss a lot but this guy is a total failure, everyone knew he was not up to it. Basic player hyped because of his English status but bang average overall.

 

[horsechoker]

I know city doesn't miss a lot but this guy is a total failure, everyone knew he was not up to it. Basic player hyped because of his English status but bang average overall.

And won't come in for criticism like United do

 

[WeePat]

Liverpool were heavilly linked with Kalvin Phillips at the time and were in desperate need of midfield re-inforcements so it made sence for City to sign him to stop Liverpool who were their nearest challengers from getting him.

There are hundreds of midfielders out there of Phillips quality. It makes more sense that Pep either rated Phillips himself or wanted him to fill some kind HG quota. The idea that City thought he was so good that they couldn't possibly let Liverpool have him is wild. He was never that good.

 

[Sandikan]

Imagine how badly they'd have lost today without him.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

I know city doesn't miss a lot but this guy is a total failure, everyone knew he was not up to it. Basic player hyped because of his English status but bang average overall.

Think we were in the market for him too, bullet dodged.

 

[arthurka]

Shockingly bad, wasted potential.

 

[Canucantona20]

Mainoo should go instead of him

 

[ThierryHenry14]

Was he? By whom?

He played extremely well in Leeds under Bielsa's system.

 

[Ekkie Thump]

If the greatest manager of all time tells you you're above target weight you work your ass off to bring it down. What kind of mentality is this?

I think it might be to do with Kalvin needing a certain type of man management. Bielsa had him meeting target weights on a weekly basis. Very strict, very thorough and Phillips would run through walls for him.

I guess the difference was that when Bielsa came in Phillips was just another two bit championship midfielder and Bielsa coached him to be the best he could possibly be and rewarded him by placing him at the centre of his system. Bielsa then leaves Phillips with an inflated ego and sense of his own talent. Once he gets to city he soon discovers he's not actually as good as he thought and he's back to being backup and the confidence of being The Man just ebbs away. Fragile ego; easily demotivated.

 

[The Corinthian]

Mainoo should go instead of him

Mainoo should go where?

 

[SilentWitness]

Mainoo should go where?

To the Euros.