You just shed some insight into why one has been able to make more of his management career than the other, even though one of them started earlier.
Keane: Fergie has massive ego
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You just shed some insight into why one has been able to make more of his management career than the other, even though one of them started earlier.
Nah, he is crazy after all. It's what makes him unique though, I wouldn't have him any other way!
Aye - incidentally it was this character trait that made him so effective when he was fit and one of the best players in the squad. It's a shame that it also makes him a fecking asshole now though.
Indeed. Ferguson caused fear with his rage. But his rage had direction, an agenda. With Keane, it's just pure rage. Any confidence destroyed by Fergie's rants are likely able to be fixed through his other attributes, leading to the player probably coming out better the other end. As he has direction in his rage, the players also respect it more. Keane has none of the other necessary qualities to make his rants worthwhile. I wouldn't be surprised that if a player had a bad game and he ripped into him, he would do nothing other than destroy that players confidence. Also, he would lose their respect.
Yep. Bit harder to understand pure rage
I remember when Kidd left United people said that United will miss him as he was the guy doing the tactics...the same when Mc Laren left.
Looking back at what all these achieved after leaving united, make you laugh (or cry) really
Are his season tickets in the prawn sambo area?
Well Robson, Bruce and Cantona were known to be the guys that ran the dressing room as club captains and who looked after player complaints and needs and wants and were the people the players looked to....He probably just mean't that I suppose.
I doubt he mean't he ran the show and had the tactics board out
Tell us what was he doing?
Keane and Fergie both have huge ego's no shock there, they don't get along anymore, fine. I suppose we can expect further comments from Keane as he will get asked questions by the press and he will answer them. No big deal really.
I've no idea what he was doing on it....But he shouldn't have been in my opinion...Even if he was just driving the thing
He's entitled to dislike Fergie all he wants. I never get the furore over it to be honest.
There are plenty of people Ferguson has decided to dislike and take cheap shots at, Keane being one of them, and Fergie is by his own admission a control freak so I don't even get the major issue with Keane making basically the same point.
Plus, since Fergie turfed him out, we've gone soft. Do you think the players would have all been waiting for each other to get stuck in on Sunday if Roy Keane was still in the dressing room?
I'd take an outspoken character like him over a majority of the other types of ego driven characters you seem to get in football.
There are plenty of people Ferguson has decided to dislike and take cheap shots at, Keane being one of them, and Fergie is by his own admission a control freak so I don't even get the major issue with Keane making basically the same point.
Plus, since Fergie turfed him out, we've gone soft. Do you think the players would have all been waiting for each other to get stuck in on Sunday if Roy Keane was still in the dressing room?
I'd take an outspoken character like him over a majority of the other types of ego driven characters you seem to get in football.
Was he the only other team official on the bus or were there others? For other clubs do other team officials ride the bus also? I guess what I am asking is there really a reason for your opinion or are you just sort of deciding that there is some imaginary line that has been crossed even though there is really nothing sinister about his being on the bus?
I guess I think that, with the exception of the hair and Rooney, this is still a squad full of Fergie men.
Having him there just seems a tad OTT when Moyes is still trying to get players on board with his methods.
I wasn't suggesting Fergie was in control or anything that night.......Then again, we did play well and win 5-0
Another quote from Keane in the programme, he was asked to name his best United 11 and he left out Giggs...Asked why, he said
"Just because he's had a great career, doesn't mean he's a great player"
Must be some issue with them two
Why is anyone blindly taking sides when they have no idea what actually went on?
This
Who cares?!...Great manager, great player, both have given us so much and so many memories. They don't like each other. They both can be petty and bitter...Who cares?!...It's entertaining
What constitutes 'taking sides'?
To answer that, never!! Keane had that aura around him, he was the mouthpiece of Sir Alex on the field. I have seen many captains like Gary Neville, Rooney (temporarily), Vidic, Robson, Evra and Keane to name a few, but none had the presence of Roy Keane. In fact, if Keane had played the game against Everton when we lost at home, he would have taken both Vidic and Evra outside and give them a bloody good hiding. I don't see the likes of Evra or Vidic motivating players anymore, they just don't have it in them to be proper leaders like Keano. If only we could have Keano as a first team coach instead of fecking Phil Neville then we might just get somewhere. To summarise, I don't think Keano was wrong in what he said, since he has every right to criticise Sir Alex just as Sir Alex criticises other people. In fact, why are we now doing a character assassination on Keane when we all knew what he was like from the very first time he kicked a ball at Old Trafford?
Looking forward to watching the Keane and Vieira programme after the game tomorrow to be fair. But some things are better left unsaid.
I imagine they'll kiss and make up eventually.
I imagine they'll kiss and make up eventually.
Ferguson did wonders for us, but to assume he was never wrong about anything during his tenure here is downright idiotic. Keane is bang on about the Coolmore affair, too; incredible that the manager felt he was holding the club's best interests at heart during it.
Hopefully keane is wrong about the "power and control" thing. That would be extremely detrimental if true.
Blatantly bullshit IMO.
The fact that the BBC have now picked up the story and are going with the 'SAF still seeks control at Utd' angle pisses me off, it's the last thing we need at this time.
There's these people called publishers. They may have had a say.
SAF wanted Moyes hired rather than Mourinho because he secretly wanted United to look rubbish without him. He couldn't have Mourinho coming in and winning the Champions League and signing actual midfielders - that would undermine SAF's own success.
And Fergie wouldnt?
I love them both.
He could've said no but then why would he? In what way was releasing that book to exert power? If he wanted control over the football side at Old Trafford he could have it in a heartbeat.
That's Keano, alright.He's wrong about one thing in particular: He couldn't have "easily" stayed on for a couple of more years. Shows a severe lack of self-insight. His legs were gone - and he was done for at the very top. As for the loyalty part - well, Roy, if you hadn't acted like a cnut, you might very well have been rewarded for your many great years at the club, in a lesser role of some kind, perhaps sliding over into coaching, etc. But that was never likely with an ego like yours, was it?
Anyway - it's Keano. He's a bit mental. At the end of the day I agree with what was said above: I love 'em both.
I don't think you can achieve what Fergie and Keano have achieved without having a massive ego.
This is all based on Fergie's book:
Keane apparently had a big influence on the dressing room. A few days after that interview, Gary Neville came to Ferguson compaining about the training methods of Queiroz, something that never has happened before, and according to SAF total nonsense. So, the interview while was bad it wasn't the biggest problem, the biggest problem was that Keane tried to divide the dressing room and he was very influential so could have done that. Fergie and Queiroz decided that the only way is to ship him out of the club, which in the end was the best thing they could have done.
Probably not - and you probably need to be a bit mental too, one way or the other.
Yeah I retracted on taht part. I just didnt get the urge to release it if it was going to have all those errors.
Soooo humble.
Roy Keane wouldn't have let Saturday happen thats for sure.
at Keane - a prize wanker. Needs help with his mental health issues.Toon dislikes Keane shocker