It’s funny because it’s so true. There are a dangerous amount of idiots in this country. All of who believe this shite.
Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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I totally agree with you on Cameron and Johnson, 100%, so trying to paint me with some Tory brush is a lie in itself I'm afraid.
The difference is that I blame Corbyn too. I'm actually surprised you haven't studied Labour history, Tony Benn, Barbara Castle, Peter Shore, Michael Foot, the whole left wing of the party, they were all anti-EU. I disagreed with them in 1975 and voted Yes to staying in Europe, but I respect their views, at least they were honest about them.
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Mail on Sunday? Since when has it been a decent source unless it’s suited for a narrative?
Him being a eurosceptic doesn't make Brexit his fault.
No, it was the 52% of those who voted in the referendum, who caused Brexit.
However historically the longstanding position on the left of the Labour party was to oppose the EU (as @711 states in a previous post) and as an old style 'lefty' Corbyn was sticking to that view; but as leader of a Party where a sizable chunk supported remain, he found himself in the proverbial position of being "between a rock and a hard place".
However Jeremy should have felt at home, because he had spent virtually his whole political career in taking up such positions.
Look corbyn could certainly have done more to push the benefits of being in the eu... I mean being 8/10 in favour of the eu would have been a start.... even thinking its was 75% good!
That said as he proved he's a terrible communicator, massively unpopular within the general electorate and useless at national election style campaigns
So it probably wouldn't have helped much anyway
At least they didn't trigger article 50 immediately like he was pushing for...
Not really, Jeremy never truly believed in the concept (or the so called benefits) of the EU as a political Union, he had been against it since 'Adam was a lad'. He was an old fashioned lefty, there were no benefits , at least not what he would call real benefits, that he felt could not have been be accomplished by a strong Labour Government in the UK Parliament unshackled by Brussels. This was at the heart of his dilemma.
Yes there were some advantages in the EU operations in political terms, e.g. of worker protections, TU laws etc. however nothing that could not have been 'bettered' (in Jeremy's eyes) in the UK with...say an 80+ seat Labour majority in Parliament!
It just never happened. The closest he got was being elected leader of the Labour party and that only occurred through the efforts of momentum and some 'di** head' decisions by liberal leaning Labour PMs who wanted to prove their liberal values by making it possible for Jeremy to 'at least have a shot at the leadership'. Then when he did win, they couldn't wait to leave!
Just like a number of times in his long political career in the Labour party, with Brexit,Jeremy found himself in the wrong place, at the wrong time, facing the wrong way and desperately hoping people would not notice... but when you are leader, you are 'front and centre' and everybody, friend and foe a like can see your dilemma.
Actually you have to feel sorry for the guy!
@Dobba Starmer is going to bring back the controls on immigration cups.
So your choice at the next election will be between the Tories or the Tories. Brilliant stuff.
"Party leader who's not good at connecting with public, hires expert at connecting with public" isn't the slam dunk you think it is.
Starmer urges Labour to embrace Blair’s legacy as he vows to win the next election
https://www.ft.com/content/34ec43b9-5dcd-46cd-b284-093e8f13714d
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Your first paragraph is correct. The rest is inaccurate waffle.
Ken Loach now expelled from the Labour party.
What a sorry state of affairs Keir has caused. He is the very definition of unelectable, even by his own members now, if there was a new leadership election, at this rate.
What a sorry state of affairs Keir has caused. He is the very definition of unelectable, even by his own members now, if there was a new leadership election, at this rate.
Yep, the Labour party are well and truly dead to me.
Oof I'm sure he can't wait to call on the policies of *checks notes* targeting youth & immigrants to bring support back to the Labour Party.
Absolutely.
Unfortunately yes. I may be forced to abstain or vote Green. Regardless of "tactical" voting.
The Tories are scumbags. But this is not a viable alternative.
I would rather have Moyes as the Leader of the Labour Party than this idiot.
At least Moyes made mistakes. I now get the impression that Starmer is actively trying to ruin the party.
oh no not ken loach
Don't be silly... as the last couple of elections proved you can vote green and be called a red tory instead
I think you are mixing up the Green Party with the LD's.
Surely you'd be a green Tory, no?
You obviously haven't followed Jeremy's political career. Jeremy's was a political lifetime of always (or nearly always) opposing the leadership of his own party.
Is this what Starmer had in mind? Genius plan though, instead of winning labour voters the man was always going for the Tories. fecking despairing it is
No experience has shown me if you are traditional labour you can only be on team Jezbollah*/ Magic Grandpa* / Anti
That's if you're a Labour supporter, not a fecking greens supporter. You're being exceedingly disingenuous here (although, what's new?), if you are a neoliberal gobshite and still a member of the labour party, you're a red Tory.
I see from the news that him calling for everyone to be proud of Blair's record is going well.
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The Greens are what Labour should have been for the last 30 years. Wanting to change voting to a PR like system, prioritising diversity, more money for public services, removing Lords with an elected chamber, human rights, tacking racism, allowing local authorities to secure referendums and obviously green policies.
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Well done Keir & co. Kicking out a Jewish Labour member who has been a member for over 50 years.
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.or...sponse-to-his-threatened-automatic-exclusion/
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.or...sponse-to-his-threatened-automatic-exclusion/
I thought that there was freedom of speech and that sort of thing in the UK?
There are some difficult personalities in the Labour party.
So he signed a letter that says
He supports, Ken Livingstone an Chris Williamson
There should be no independent panel reviewing antisemitism claims
MPs should not be expelled for providing a platform for suspended anti-Semites
The IHRA definition of Anti Semitism should not be used when considering disciplinary action in the labour party
And the small number of Anti Semitism allegations was just a smear against Jeremy Corbyn
Yeah good riddance to be honest if he wants to put his name to that