You talk a lot about things you dont know. Did you talk with Mbappe? Did you have some reliable internal information that the "Brazilian group" is harming his football?
which is pretty outlandish in hindsight.Agreed. There’s always such a risk when hyping players up at that age, when their form for 1-2 seasons could quite easily fizzle out as it could progress. It’s basically a coin toss. Wonder if they will permanently sign him?Good player but the hype around him has been crazy. I remember a while ago people were saying he is as good as Ronaldo De Lima at the same age
He is indeed a very good player and will only get better, but as you say, the hype merchants have been in severe overdrive about him for 12 months now, which of course will only result in a big thud once he fails to meet their self-imposed GOAT expectations.Good player but the hype around him has been crazy. I remember a while ago people were saying he is as good as Ronaldo De Lima at the same age
I always said he was a good player with all the potential in the world, but it is crazy to hype a player and make statements like “he is going to be one of the best ever” or “he is as good as R9 was at this age”. Especially when anything can happen and he could have just been a flash in the pan as he was new on the scene and oppositions hadn’t figured him out yet.
He is a kid after all. People forget that.
His record in CL is also very good.
Of course you are right. But I will say this....watching him last season with Monaco, he was honestly playing at a level of maturity which was frightening for his age. As good as I've seen for a very, very long time. His finishing was absolutely world class, and he electrified the crowd every time he picked up the ball. I think it's a shame he went to PSG tbh. The wrong move in my opinion. Think he should've stayed at Monaco another year or two. It was perfect for his development, and then gone to a big team in a top league. At PSG he is getting all the riches he could imagine, but not in an environment that's really going to push him to be better.Good player but the hype around him has been crazy. I remember a while ago people were saying he is as good as Ronaldo De Lima at the same age
And a lot of people here are only going to watch him when he is playing against sides like Real.
Wrong. Player's worth is so arbitrary and is definitely not just based on football and performances. A player is worth what a club is ready to pay for him. The rest is just us fans judging transfers based on imagination. Saying "x player isn't worth what a club paid for him" makes absolutely no sense when you really think about it.180m
Talented.. sure. Nowhere near worth that money though. Not even close.
Basically this.
They'll be laughing at that price in two-three years when he's developed (easy to forget he's 19) and the transfers for ~200 mil will be more than common.
Of course it's a lot of money, just that if a club deems that player to be worth that, who the feck are we (when we're not even involved in professional transfer dealings) to say he isn't worth that. The worth of a player is one of the most pointless things discussed in football, how do we set what should a normal fee or what isn't ? Things change with every transfer window.
I dont think 200m transfers are going to be that common going forward. Not anytime soon at least..
Normal fee is judging similar talent and seeing what the going rate it.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/raheem-sterling-signs-for-man-city-for-£49-000-000.404808/page-84#post-17770237
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/anthony-martial-2015-16-performances.408881/page-154#post-19215636
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/danny-welbeck-2011-14-performances.336437/page-44#post-11752143
If the day ever comes where they laugh at that price for being cheap then I think I'll give up on football.
He's not saying its cheap, just that with the way the market is going it will be seen as 40 mil below the going rate for a world class player which is good business if he fulfills his potential. Its like us paying a potential total of 58 mil for Martial seemed like crazy money a few years back, now it looks like value in a crazy market.
Great logic, let's pay £160M today for a player with potential (who may not even fulfill it) because potentially £160M COULD POSSIBLY be seen as normal in the future (which may not even happen)
You have seen how inflated the market has gotten, right? I mean you just spunked 70 million on a defender. Pretty sure the 200 mil mark for a world class player will be the norm soon.
It wasn't purely on the potential, it was also down to the season he's had at Monaco and the natural ability that he's displaying, plus all the data that the scouts from the biggest clubs in the world have gathered from scouting him for years.
Exactly it could, but it also could not. Who knows, the bubble might burst for all we know which is why the fee they paid is ridiculous imo and the VVD fee is silly too but needed to be paid directly as a result of PSG inflating the market by paying £160M for a 18 year old. Atleast VVD is pretty much the finished article at 26 so we knew what we were buying, but Mbappe is pure potential atm with a lot of maturing and development needed, not just as a player but as a person too
Coutinho is 25 with years of experience and is genuinely top class, I'd pay £120M for Coutinho than £160M for an 18 year old Mbappe any day of the week. It's crazy how an 18 yr old with a good 6 months cost £30-40M more than a prime Coutinho, and only £40M less than fecking Neymar
Not really, I doubt you have the expertise to comment on the economy behind this. Mbappe is extremely young, has the most insane talent the world has seen in decades and has 10+ seasons ahead of him. I have seen enough of him to place him in the same category as Ronaldo, Messi and C. Ronaldo when it comes to natural, raw talent and understanding of the game, the guy has decided big matches at 18. I am not saying he is a new Messi, nobody ever will be, but just imagine Messi’s value at 18 if you had a crystal ball.
I'm pretty sure you've used the hyperbolic term 'demolished' Bayern for Mbappe before. Do you mean in this game?
PSG did not inflate the VVD sale, the EPL TV money did. Liverpool probably caused their own issues there as well having tapped up VVD (and the pick of the Southampton team for the past few years).
The only overrated thing about this kid is the price tag. No player Never mind a youth should warrant 150m.
Why he's already world class in terms of end product while played out of position. He's levels above Lukaku and Morata who both cost half that and has 10+ years of amortisation if they can extend his contract. That works out at less than 16m per year if he plays well until he's 30 plus wages, which at the amount is around 16m per year. So he's costing about the same as Alexis Sanchez is per season in terms of amortisation and Mbappe will only get better where as Alexis will probably decline as he ages.
Stats don't tell the whole story, Mbappe created so many chances that game and made Neymar's tap in by beating 3 players but didn't get an assist because the ball hit a Bayern player on the way. Only 3 key passes is maybe a disservice to the amount he created, watch his every touch video:
He definitely did not destroy us, if anyone did, it was Neymar. We were in the weakest state since 2012 though and Ancelotti decided to provoke his dismissal by playing a second string squad. Still Mbappe is the best performing young player out there with Sané IMO.
We will have to agree to disagree then. That is not a destruction, in my opinion.
Then you have high standards, he made 2 of the goals, could of had 4-5 assists and was the heart of nearly everything PSG created. Certainly outperformed Neymar in that game
Bad defending made the Neymar's goal. Mbappe's ball was poor. A top level defender should deal with that.
