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Most likely not, he's several levels above Ronaldos first seasons with usIm seeing people comparing him to CR when he was at the same age. Were those people even watching CR back then?
Most likely not, he's several levels above Ronaldos first seasons with usIm seeing people comparing him to CR when he was at the same age. Were those people even watching CR back then?
If offered just-turned 20 year old Ronaldo & 20 year old Mbappe side by side, without knowing what Ronaldo would go on to achieve, I'd probably go for the latter.Im seeing people comparing him to CR when he was at the same age. Were those people even watching CR back then?
Not surprises, he's a farmer after allGood player but couldn't lace Greenwood's boots at 17.
77 ? where did you get that number from?At the age of 20:
# of games (domestic league): Mbappé 79 versus Cr7 77
# of goals (domestic league): Mbappé 41 versus Messi 21 versus Crujff 48 versus Thierry Henry 15
Champions League # of games: Mbappé 22 versus Messi 12
# caps: Mbappé 28 versus Pele 24 or Cr7 18
@GifLord loves these comparisons
Lequipe77 ? where did you get that number from?
According to Wikipedia he scored 5 goals for Sporting - 2002/03, and 21 for Utd from season 03/04, 04/05 and 05/06. So by the time he was 20 he scored less than 30 goals at club level
oh my bad. i need to stop multitaskingLequipe
77 is the # of games, not goals
Yes, it's different. One thing to keep in mind is his first season at PSG he was mainly a supplier for Cavani and Neymar but after you win a world cup you sort of want to become the main man, which alongside Neymar he is currently for PSG in goals. Without this mess going on in France, he'd probably have some more but so far there's 2 or 3 games they need to make up in March.Ronaldo was a pure winger arguably until the last season or 2 at United.
Mbappe is a forward currently playing out wide.
Before Ronaldo at United; the side forward thing was hardly used as much as it is being used now.
These statistics are misleading, mainly the Ronaldo and Messi statistics.At the age of 20:
# of games (domestic league): Mbappé 79 versus Cr7 77
# of goals (domestic league): Mbappé 41 versus Messi 21 versus Crujff 48 versus Thierry Henry 15
Champions League # of games: Mbappé 22 versus Messi 12
# caps: Mbappé 28 versus Pele 24 or Cr7 18
@GifLord loves these comparisons
What? Messi was a starter for Barcelona since the 05/06 season, only injuries stopped him. By the time they signed Henry in '07, Henry was effectively Messi's backup. And Mbappé is miles better than Henry was by thenMessi was competing for his place with Eto, Henry and Ronaldinho, Mbappe would never start ahead of them 3.
Would they now? Because Mbappé wasn't some bit part player on that team. He was their best player in 2 of their 4 KO games and had a massive impact on their victory. He was either their third best player at worstYes Mbappe is a generational talent but lets not get carried away with the Messi and Ronaldo comparisons. France would've won the world cup without him as is the quality of their squad compared to their rivals and he's putting up those goal numbers in a pub league.
That doesn’t change what I said in my post. Messi still had Henry competing with him.What? Messi was a starter for Barcelona since the 05/06 season, only injuries stopped him. By the time they signed Henry in '07, Henry was effectively Messi's backup. And Mbappé is miles better than Henry was by then
Wasn't much of a competition. When Messi was fit, he'd play. Eto'o and Ronaldinho had to compete with HenryThat doesn’t change what I said in my post. Messi still had Henry competing with him.
Or maybe i watched Henry in barcelona. He was nowhere near the player he was at arsenal. Barcelona got him on a free on the heels of losing the league in dramatic fashion and going out to Liverpool in CL, with Dinho showing signs of losing competitive spirit(read: showing up late and drunk for training sessions) and Eto'o starting to get on everyone's nerves. They signed him because they could, not because they needed him. He was comfortably the worse player among the 4* and it wasn't closeAt the part in bold. Henry when he left Arsenal was still a great player hence why Barcelona signed him. If you think Mbappe is better then you are clueless and over rating Mbappe and the hype surrounding him.
Off the bench more often than not... the fact he was injured was a big part of that but it’s not true that he was a guaranteed started as long as he was fit.Wasn't much of a competition. When Messi was fit, he'd play.
I actually don’t think he is, Messi Ronaldo Salah are better and Neymar and Hazard might be too, in a strange way I agree with your Cr7 point though.World class footballer, one of the top 3 forwards in the world today for me. Not because of some mythical potential either. Simply because of what he’s likely to do in any given football match if played tomorrow, let alone in 5 years or whenever the experts have decided his peak will be. Right now, he’s that good. If my team had to play a match this evening, I’d rather they play against Cristiano Ronaldo than him.
Would you rather we faced Mbappé than Salah, Ronaldo or Hazard in a game tomorrow?I actually don’t think he is, Messi Ronaldo Salah are better and Neymar and Hazard might be too, in a strange way I agree with your Cr7 point though.
Griezmann is not even close to being twice the player Mbappé is. He may have a better argument of being half the player though. I can only think Mbappé is being discriminated against due to age. No matter what an 18 year old does on the pitch, there will always be a large portion of fans who cannot compute that he’s the best. It’s always ‘he can become’. What does Mbappé need to do to catch up to Griezmann, except become older? Over the last 18-24 months, which is the only sample size relevant in this conversation, there’s no chance at all that Griezmann has been as good a footballer than Mbappé, let alone ‘twice as good’.He’s nowhere near being one of the top 3 forwards in the world or close to Ronaldo or Messi, calm down.
He wasn’t a top 3 player for France at the WC either. Varane, Pogba and Griezmann were all comfortably better, as of now Griezmann is twice the player Mbappe is too.
He has the potential to become that good but he’s most definitely not it yet.
people always like to downplay Ronaldo's early years at United when it was clear he was a top talent. He scored more goals in his 1st 2 and 3 seasons in England than Raheem Sterling did, yet we are told he had no end product. I think people just did not like him
I agree.people always like to downplay Ronaldo's early years at United when it was clear he was a top talent. He scored more goals in his 1st 2 and 3 seasons in England than Raheem Sterling did, yet we are told he had no end product. I think people just did not like him
Hazard takes us to pieces nearly every time we play against him, personally would take playing against Mbappe over him any day.Would you rather we faced Mbappé than Salah, Ronaldo or Hazard in a game tomorrow?
I’d take any of them over Mbappé personally.
For the past 18/24 months Griezmann has been comfortably better than Mbappe. It has nothing to do with their age. Last season Mbappe was clearly third best out of the PSG front 3... everyone who’s watched PSG regularly will know that.Griezmann is not even close to being twice the player Mbappé is. He may have a better argument of being half the player though. I can only think Mbappé is being discriminated against due to age. No matter what an 18 year old does on the pitch, there will always be a large portion of fans who cannot compute that he’s the best. It’s always ‘he can become’. What does Mbappé need to do to catch up to Griezmann, except become older? Over the last 18-24 months, which is the only sample size relevant in this conversation, there’s no chance at all that Griezmann has been as good a footballer than Mbappé, let alone ‘twice as good’.
People like talking about teenage Ronaldo as if he was a worse version of what Dembele currently is... at 18 he had every single top team in the world after him willing to pay big money, after barely turning 19 he was our best forward in Euro 2004 in a team with the likes of Figo, Rui Costa and Deco at his absolute best. Everyone was expecting him to become the best player in the world then.people always like to downplay Ronaldo's early years at United when it was clear he was a top talent. He scored more goals in his 1st 2 and 3 seasons in England than Raheem Sterling did, yet we are told he had no end product. I think people just did not like him
Until December 2017, yesFor the past 18/24 months Griezmann has been comfortably better than Mbappe. It has nothing to do with their age. Last season Mbappe was clearly third best out of the PSG front 3... everyone who’s watched PSG regularly will know that.
Meanwhile Griezmann is playing at Hazard or Neymar levels, probably better than both in the past 18/24 months.
In all seriousness, I prefer Diaby to Cavani in that front three, he has a better relationship with Mbappé and Neymar, they are on the same wavelength. Do you think that it's a long term thing or just a novelty?Until December 2017, yes
Since January 2018, M'bappé could be viewed as the most performing player given the neymar's injury and the Cavani's decline. In any case, Cavani is clearly the 3rd at the moment.
People didn't like him, in fact they hated him. He played for United and was.....well..Ronaldo i.e. a bit of a tit.people always like to downplay Ronaldo's early years at United when it was clear he was a top talent. He scored more goals in his 1st 2 and 3 seasons in England than Raheem Sterling did, yet we are told he had no end product. I think people just did not like him