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This league has and had hundreds of POCs in the last decade. Yes, there was always racism here and there, when Alves got a banana thrown at him during a corner for example, but nobody, not one player I can remember was as systematically harassed as Vinicius is. He constantly provokes, insults and dives on the pitch. Even worse than Neymar back in the days. He instults not only the opponent players and fans, but the refs too. And those are not minor insults:

https://www.besoccer.com/new/son-of...us-insults-ref-during-real-madrid-win-1230655


And that's not an individual case. His provocations are also shabby and vile. He tells his opponents and their fans often enough that they're worse than him and they should be relegated. Just watch him leaving the pitch yesterday after a deserved red card.

I repeat, no other POC player ever received such a harassment he does. Yes, the league has a racism problem, but which league hasn't? The PL just removed those kind of people out of the stadium into the pubs by making the tickets unaffordable for most of the lower social class, where racism breeds.Every league has and had problems with racism now and then, because that's the nature of humans. Especially if certain people gather and emotions are envolved. Some more, some less of course.

Is Vinicius a victim of racism? Yes he is. Has he a vile and disgusting character, that provokes such behaviour from certain people? Yes, he has.
You are a horrible person.
 

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This league has and had hundreds of POCs in the last decade. Yes, there was always racism here and there, when Alves got a banana thrown at him during a corner for example, but nobody, not one player I can remember was as systematically harassed as Vinicius is. He constantly provokes, insults and dives on the pitch. Even worse than Neymar back in the days. He instults not only the opponent players and fans, but the refs too. And those are not minor insults:

https://www.besoccer.com/new/son-of...us-insults-ref-during-real-madrid-win-1230655


And that's not an individual case. His provocations are also shabby and vile. He tells his opponents and their fans often enough that they're worse than him and they should be relegated. Just watch him leaving the pitch yesterday after a deserved red card.

I repeat, no other POC player ever received such a harassment he does. Yes, the league has a racism problem, but which league hasn't? The PL just removed those kind of people out of the stadium into the pubs by making the tickets unaffordable for most of the lower social class, where racism breeds.Every league has and had problems with racism now and then, because that's the nature of humans. Especially if certain people gather and emotions are envolved. Some more, some less of course.

Is Vinicius a victim of racism? Yes he is. Has he a vile and disgusting character, that provokes such behaviour from certain people? Yes, he has.
Normalising Racsim, you're an absolute disgrace!
 

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This league has and had hundreds of POCs in the last decade. Yes, there was always racism here and there, when Alves got a banana thrown at him during a corner for example, but nobody, not one player I can remember was as systematically harassed as Vinicius is. He constantly provokes, insults and dives on the pitch. Even worse than Neymar back in the days. He instults not only the opponent players and fans, but the refs too. And those are not minor insults:

https://www.besoccer.com/new/son-of...us-insults-ref-during-real-madrid-win-1230655


And that's not an individual case. His provocations are also shabby and vile. He tells his opponents and their fans often enough that they're worse than him and they should be relegated. Just watch him leaving the pitch yesterday after a deserved red card.

I repeat, no other POC player ever received such a harassment he does. Yes, the league has a racism problem, but which league hasn't? The PL just removed those kind of people out of the stadium into the pubs by making the tickets unaffordable for most of the lower social class, where racism breeds.Every league has and had problems with racism now and then, because that's the nature of humans. Especially if certain people gather and emotions are envolved. Some more, some less of course.

Is Vinicius a victim of racism? Yes he is. Has he a vile and disgusting character, that provokes such behaviour from certain people? Yes, he has.
Who cares?

Plus it is not as if La Liga has a shortage of cnuts anyway. If that would be the trigger, every second player should be harassed by fans.
 

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Or this.

@Niemans, since you used to three posts to dispell the accusations, could you now spare one to acknowledge that the racism did happen and this isn't after all a campaign to discredit La Liga?
 

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The last pages here really summarize the racist attitudes in Spain (and elsewhere).


A player claims he was racially abused? He must be imagining it or lying about it.

Once it becomes clear that the racial abuse did happen? It must be one or two people.

Turns out it's more than one or two people? Well, they don't really mean it. They were just trying to rile the player up. They're not really racist. And the player must have done something to warrant such treatment, anyway.


It's an incredibly child-like perspective. Like there's just some kind of Racism Creature that lives in the woods and ocassionally sneaks into civilized society to yell slurs. Not, y'know, a social problem, pervasive attitudes, and whatnot.
 

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This is for Barcelona fans who are pretending that they are unaware:
Here fans kindly offered bananas to Dani Alves

And here Eto'o leaving for no reason.

 

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This league has and had hundreds of POCs in the last decade. Yes, there was always racism here and there, when Alves got a banana thrown at him during a corner for example, but nobody, not one player I can remember was as systematically harassed as Vinicius is. He constantly provokes, insults and dives on the pitch. Even worse than Neymar back in the days. He instults not only the opponent players and fans, but the refs too. And those are not minor insults:

https://www.besoccer.com/new/son-of...us-insults-ref-during-real-madrid-win-1230655


And that's not an individual case. His provocations are also shabby and vile. He tells his opponents and their fans often enough that they're worse than him and they should be relegated. Just watch him leaving the pitch yesterday after a deserved red card.

I repeat, no other POC player ever received such a harassment he does. Yes, the league has a racism problem, but which league hasn't? The PL just removed those kind of people out of the stadium into the pubs by making the tickets unaffordable for most of the lower social class, where racism breeds.Every league has and had problems with racism now and then, because that's the nature of humans. Especially if certain people gather and emotions are envolved. Some more, some less of course.

Is Vinicius a victim of racism? Yes he is. Has he a vile and disgusting character, that provokes such behaviour from certain people? Yes, he has.
You are a truly awful person.
 

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Boom. Vinicius making noise has starting making a difference. Someone is starting to be afraid of losing those sponsor dollars, huh? The entire VAR crew from the Valencia-Madrid game is going to be suspended according to José Felix Diaz from Marca.

 

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@Niemans, since you used to three posts to dispell the accusations, could you now spare one to acknowledge that the racism did happen and this isn't after all a campaign to discredit La Liga?
In the first place there was a Twitter with fake news and a user believed those fake news. I simply said that in that video people said "tonto" and not "mono".

The other 2 answers were for people who do not know Spanish and wanted to correct 3 people who have Spanish as their native language. And besides not knowing what they were talking about, they insulted serious things for which I reported them.

In that video that you have put several fans make the sound of the monkey and call him "tonto" .
 

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How do we get rid of this from football matches? Install more cameras around stadium ground to identify culprits?
 

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This is for Barcelona fans who are pretending that they are unaware:
Here fans kindly offered bananas to Dani Alves

And here Eto'o leaving for no reason.

Why Barcelona fans?

Neymar was constantly insulted, Madrid fans always said that he was provoking. I mean, not even talking to the people in the stadium, he was provoking it himself by trying "lambrettas" during the game.
https://www.marca.com/futbol/liga-francesa/2017/08/21/599aeb32268e3e316c8b458b.html

Santiago Bernabeu is the only stadium in Spain that was closed by UEFA due to racists chants
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...dium-closure-for-fans-racism-vs-bayern-munich

And if you look for information about the biggest racism scandals in Spain, Bernabeu has a prominent space on it.
Probably the most known, "negro, cabron, recoge el algodon", something like "nigg..., assh..., pick up the cotton" took place in bernabeu.
https://www.larazon.es/deportes/fut...espanol_20230522646b1c65277db700016cbc64.html

barcelona (laporta) expelled the ultras (boixos nois) in 2003. they are criminals. probably his best action as barca president. real madrid did the same with ultra sur (despicable people too) in 2014, only over a decade.

2 weeks ago santiago bernabeu were making chants against pep calling him junkie and faggot. the chant was obviously prepared as it was very elaborated.
they are applauding valverde for punching baena in the face while waiting in the bus although what valverde said has been proved to be false (after careful review, no images emerged in the moment valverde said his son was insulted).
a few weeks ago in the euroleague playoffs (basketball) they initiated a fight because they were losing where one of the players (yabusele) bodyslams a rival who happened to be there and injured him for the rest of the season, and he was lucky. response? more applauses in the next game (only 5 games suspension in the competition).
all these events in the span of 1 month.

the constant bashing of anything that smells "blaugrana" and the constant "virtue" of anything that smalls white is actually sickening.
 

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Why Barcelona fans?

Neymar was constantly insulted, Madrid fans always said that he was provoking. I mean, not even talking to the people in the stadium, he was provoking it himself by trying "lambrettas" during the game.
https://www.marca.com/futbol/liga-francesa/2017/08/21/599aeb32268e3e316c8b458b.html

Santiago Bernabeu is the only stadium in Spain that was closed by UEFA due to racists chants
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...dium-closure-for-fans-racism-vs-bayern-munich

And if you look for information about the biggest racism scandals in Spain, Bernabeu has a prominent space on it.
Probably the most known, "negro, cabron, recoge el algodon", something like "nigg..., assh..., pick up the cotton" took place in bernabeu.
https://www.larazon.es/deportes/fut...espanol_20230522646b1c65277db700016cbc64.html

barcelona (laporta) expelled the ultras (boixos nois) in 2003. they are criminals. probably his best action as barca president. real madrid did the same with ultra sur (despicable people too) in 2014, only over a decade.

2 weeks ago santiago bernabeu were making chants against pep calling him junkie and faggot. the chant was obviously prepared as it was very elaborated.
they are applauding valverde for punching baena in the face while waiting in the bus although what valverde said has been proved to be false (after careful review, no images emerged in the moment valverde said his son was insulted).
a few weeks ago in the euroleague playoffs (basketball) they initiated a fight because they were losing where one of the players (yabusele) bodyslams a rival who happened to be there and injured him for the rest of the season, and he was lucky. response? more applauses in the next game (only 5 games suspension in the competition).
all these events in the span of 1 month.

the constant bashing of anything that smells "blaugrana" and the constant "virtue" of anything that smalls white is actually sickening.
Touchy much? If you read this thread and the Vinicius thread, you'd see Barcelona fans have been particularly strong with the whataboutism in this particular case. It's a response to that - by someone who isn't even a Real Madrid fan and never mentioned them in his post. So your response here makes no sense.

Also, weren't you explaining in the other thread that racism isn't really a thing in Spain? How do you square that with your list here of examples of racism?
 

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barcelona (laporta) expelled the ultras (boixos nois) in 2003. they are criminals. probably his best action as barca president. real madrid did the same with ultra sur (despicable people too) in 2014, only over a decade.
And ever since there have been no reported cases of racist abuse in those stadiums by those fans to my knowledge. Thus proving that racism is very much a problem in Spain and that it is in fact possible to do something about it when it comes to kicking it out of stadiums

2 weeks ago santiago bernabeu were making chants against pep calling him junkie and faggot. the chant was obviously prepared as it was very elaborated
Links?
 

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This league has and had hundreds of POCs in the last decade. Yes, there was always racism here and there, when Alves got a banana thrown at him during a corner for example, but nobody, not one player I can remember was as systematically harassed as Vinicius is. He constantly provokes, insults and dives on the pitch. Even worse than Neymar back in the days. He instults not only the opponent players and fans, but the refs too. And those are not minor insults:

https://www.besoccer.com/new/son-of...us-insults-ref-during-real-madrid-win-1230655


And that's not an individual case. His provocations are also shabby and vile. He tells his opponents and their fans often enough that they're worse than him and they should be relegated. Just watch him leaving the pitch yesterday after a deserved red card.

I repeat, no other POC player ever received such a harassment he does. Yes, the league has a racism problem, but which league hasn't? The PL just removed those kind of people out of the stadium into the pubs by making the tickets unaffordable for most of the lower social class, where racism breeds.Every league has and had problems with racism now and then, because that's the nature of humans. Especially if certain people gather and emotions are envolved. Some more, some less of course.

Is Vinicius a victim of racism? Yes he is. Has he a vile and disgusting character, that provokes such behaviour from certain people? Yes, he has.
The fact you’ve even tried to justify the racism he’s received is disgusting. You have just shown who you are.
 

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Who cares?

Plus it is not as if La Liga has a shortage of cnuts anyway. If that would be the trigger, every second player should be harassed by fans.
The irony is a Barca fan who not long ago adored Suarez is calling Vinicius Junior a vile and horrible person.
 

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And ever since there have been no reported cases of racist abuse in those stadiums by those fans to my knowledge. Thus proving that racism is very much a problem in Spain and that it is in fact possible to do something about it when it comes to kicking it out of stadiums


Links?
Amico, that's a very old chant, inherited from Ultra Sur. At least it was sung before the Copa del Rey, although I don't know if it was at the Bernabéu(probably too)
Search "ay Guardiola ay Guardiola".

Edit: yes, Bernabéu too
 
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Thanks. Yes that's disgusting and unacceptable, and something the club REALLY needs to stamp out. Pathetic

Dispiriting to see
 

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Thanks. Yes that's disgusting and unacceptable, and something the club REALLY needs to stamp out. Pathetic

Dispiriting to see
And what do you do in that case, when half the stadium sings it? Not only in the Bernabéu but in any stadium. Close the stands? Messi's chants were also in unison, or Guti's or Cristiano's.
 

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This league has and had hundreds of POCs in the last decade. Yes, there was always racism here and there, when Alves got a banana thrown at him during a corner for example, but nobody, not one player I can remember was as systematically harassed as Vinicius is. He constantly provokes, insults and dives on the pitch. Even worse than Neymar back in the days. He instults not only the opponent players and fans, but the refs too. And those are not minor insults:

https://www.besoccer.com/new/son-of...us-insults-ref-during-real-madrid-win-1230655


And that's not an individual case. His provocations are also shabby and vile. He tells his opponents and their fans often enough that they're worse than him and they should be relegated. Just watch him leaving the pitch yesterday after a deserved red card.

I repeat, no other POC player ever received such a harassment he does. Yes, the league has a racism problem, but which league hasn't? The PL just removed those kind of people out of the stadium into the pubs by making the tickets unaffordable for most of the lower social class, where racism breeds.Every league has and had problems with racism now and then, because that's the nature of humans. Especially if certain people gather and emotions are envolved. Some more, some less of course.

Is Vinicius a victim of racism? Yes he is. Has he a vile and disgusting character, that provokes such behaviour from certain people? Yes, he has.
Vini is nowhere near Neymar when it comes to diving and cheating. Vast majority of situations are not just fouls, but brutality. From opponents and from refs who allow absolutely asinine stuff. Considering we have VAR it gets even more absurd. And there are also fans, with all its glory as seen vs. Valencia. That being sad, even is he was a cheating diver it should be irrelevant. It would not in any shape or form justify racist response - of course in healthy society.

Also, "every league has a racism problem" rhetoric. Okay, no biggie then! Everybody does it, so its fine! Besides, fascinating that you use terms "vile and disgusting" to describe his character instead of subhuman people who abuse a person based on the color of his skin.
 
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Today(curiously) four members of the Frente Atlético (the ones who hung Vini on a bridge) were arrested.
 

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And what do you do in that case, when half the stadium sings it? Not only in the Bernabéu but in any stadium. Close the stands? Messi's chants were also in unison, or Guti's or Cristiano's.
If that's what it takes, yes. There are many examples of "behind closed doors" games being played for different reasons. At this point it may be the next thing to try as not much else seems to be working.

The extreme version is what happened to English clubs when their hooliganism was out of control; ban these clubs from Europe.
 

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Today(curiously) four members of the Frente Atlético (the ones who hung Vini on a bridge) were arrested.
Something very scandalous had to happen for things to start changing. I hope these measures are not the only ones and more are to follow in the future.
 

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And what do you do in that case, when half the stadium sings it? Not only in the Bernabéu but in any stadium. Close the stands? Messi's chants were also in unison, or Guti's or Cristiano's.
Stop the game, close the stadium, fine the club(a BIG fine, something that actually hurts), and give a warning in case of recidiviness in the form of massive point deduction/exclusion from european competition --> automatic relegation, etc...

On a club level, an official statement condeming the chant, followed by mass stadium bans

The best defence would be for the lawmakers to criminalize hate speech.
 

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Something very scandalous had to happen for things to start changing. I hope these measures are not the only ones and more are to follow in the future.
I'll tell you what's happening. The international outcry, specially from Brazil and English speaking media reached a level that the government must intervene. The judicial authorities must have known for a while who the frente Atletico hooligans were but only after the shitstorm are they moving

Spain wants to organize the World Cup in 2030. If that vote is held tomorrow they'd lose by a landslide. They have to be seen to be doing something drastic.

Spain as a country cannot have the likes of Tebas and Rubiales as their public face on this. They're too old or too stupid to understand that world has changed and younger generations are going to stand up to racism and scream to the heavens when enough is enough.
 

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What's happening to Vini is absolutely disgusting, and the Barsa apologists can do one - absolutely abhorrent.

Ancelotti is right, La Liga is operating with outdated protocols. Condemning racism is not enough as it does nothing to prevent it happening again.

The ref need to stop the match if the crowd starts racially players simple as
 

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What's happening to Vini is absolutely disgusting, and the Barsa apologists can do one - absolutely abhorrent.

Ancelotti is right, La Liga is operating with outdated protocols. Condemning racism is not enough as it does nothing to prevent it happening again.

The ref need to stop the match if the crowd starts racially players simple as
He is right but at the same time, feels easy to make these comments now, when action during the game by real Madrid would have been incredibly meaningful. Action that would have been incredibly powerful and ultimately without consequence to their season.
 

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Also don't know if it's just me but the Barcelona fans on here seem to have had some truly awful takes in the past couple of years.
 

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Barca and real have been awful this season. Their league must be bad. They’ve lost 5 and are still 13 points clear :lol:
 

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Vini red card has been retired and a Mestalla stand closed for 5 games
 

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What's happening to Vini is absolutely disgusting, and the Barsa apologists can do one - absolutely abhorrent.

Ancelotti is right, La Liga is operating with outdated protocols. Condemning racism is not enough as it does nothing to prevent it happening again.

The ref need to stop the match if the crowd starts racially players simple as
But not only for racist insults, but any kind of insult. Violence has no place in society. It stops the match and the fans who insult severe punishment.
 

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What a shame to remove the sanction from Vinicius. Justifying the player's aggression with nonsense. A dangerous precedent is created.
 

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I'll tell you what's happening. The international outcry, specially from Brazil and English speaking media reached a level that the government must intervene. The judicial authorities must have known for a while who the frente Atletico hooligans were but only after the shitstorm are they moving

Spain wants to organize the World Cup in 2030. If that vote is held tomorrow they'd lose by a landslide. They have to be seen to be doing something drastic.

Spain as a country cannot have the likes of Tebas and Rubiales as their public face on this. They're too old or too stupid to understand that world has changed and younger generations are going to stand up to racism and scream to the heavens when enough is enough.
Yes, this is also my view of the whole thing. This case has now become a matter of state and people with enough power is seemingly pulling strings in the right way which is relieving after all that has happened.

The issue was not that there are stupid individuals. The issue was the collective response (or lack of response) to these sorts of events but decisions like closing Mestalla for five games, removing Vinicius's red card or arresting the Atletico fans represents a huge turning point from my point of view.

Also, I heard Xavi's words yesterday and I very much agree with his view on eradicating not just racist behaviors in stadiums but also all kind of insults.

 

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Is that supposed to be aimed at a particular subgroup of Valencia supporters with a certain history? If not, then it won't force change quickly enough.
It's the stand where their ultras are located, which was also the stand where Vinicius was pointing at one particular person before eventually getting sent off. RFEF took this action because of the referee's report, who acknowledged that multiple people in that stand were racially abusing Vinicius.
 

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It's the stand where their ultras are located, which was also the stand where Vinicius was pointing at one particular person before eventually getting sent off. RFEF took this action because of the referee's report, who acknowledged that multiple people in that stand were racially abusing Vinicius.
Thank you. I suspected there was something about that particular stand.

Nevertheless, I would feel better if news of lifetime bans come out. Some faces are very identifiable on some videos found on social media.