Yeah, I expect it be a lot closer statistically long term, but we won’t know for many years until we have a large sample size.
League Cup - 4th round
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thats what I thoughtWell all respect to Wolves really, playing 120mins away against best attacking side Sane,Aguero, KDB, Sterling,Jesus and not conceded a goal that is a good sign and othe P.L managers should take some notes.
Yeah in this system the team losing the toss has an advantage cause they can take the lead.
I'm guessing it's to remove the psychological advantage of going first. For example if both teams have scored their first 4 penalties, then the 1st team scores its fifth. The player taking the fifth for the other team is in a sudden death situation which is an unfair disadvantage.
I don't understand all the whining about the new system. Annoying that City won but that's how tiebreaks in tennis are played and this is as close as it gets to a tiebreak in football.
But then why go for a coin toss if they believe is a fair system for both sides. It will be a bit confusing for teams and will take time getting used to that I believe
Normally I would be happy with that but this iteration of Abu Dhabi FC is too strong.
If the first team scores, the second team is always playing catch up. In sudden death the guy take the pen first knows even if he misses, they are still in it. Second shooter will have the pressure of score to keep my side in it, or score to win it.
Yes! There is another stat I'd mention - Federico Macheda first player born after Ryan Giggs' United debut to score for United - and Giggs got the assist! What is it with these records and Italian strikers who went on to mediocrity?
I had the same opinion about this system since the Community Shield game.
We'll never understand how this system gives serious advantage to the team going second till we play it ourselves.
But then the next team takes 2 penalties so it swings again. So really neither team has the advantage as they always have the chance to level it then take the lead, and so on.
But still with all best eleven playing and tiring it will be difficult for them against a boring yet resolute West Brom. Agent Evans on alert.
Because somebody has to go first so a coin toss is also 50/50 way to determine that. It really isn't that confusing. I know they're footballers but they aren't 4 years old, they can figure out that you shoot twice in a row after the initial shot. What exactly is there to get used to? The players just go up and shoot.
Penalty shoot outs are dead to me! 
It's not 1 vs 1 only. The team who shoots first can very easily feck up their second penalty and we had seen it many teams before.
Now with this new system, whatever the first team does, the second team will never be under pressure even if they goes behind as they have 2 penalties to get the lead early, then good luck to the first team being under serious pressure latter to compensate.
The pressure under first team in the second system is far more than that on the second team in the first system.
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Rossi did not go on to mediocrity.Yes! There is another stat I'd mention - Federico Macheda first player born after Ryan Giggs' United debut to score for United - and Giggs got the assist! What is it with these records and Italian strikers who went on to mediocrity?
Fatigued! 3 days off and most of the first team hardly played
That's wrong. Imagine Wolverhampton would score the first and then City miss two. Wolverhampton could make it 3:0 with the next two penalties.
The new system is not fault that they haven't scored two penalties.
Yeah, that's true. Decent career. Better to say didn't go on to make it at United.
Under the assumption it's even, then the pressure at least rotates, if both teams score their then each team will lead at some point.
We'll have to see how it goes over enough games though. I think it only becomes interesting when we see the system in action where both teams are scoring.
Would be interested to see the breakdown of team a and team b wins since it's been brought in.
As TMDaines alluded to, the stats over the years have given a clear indication that the first team has an advantage. It will be interesting to see the statistics in a few year's time with this new method.
Hopeing for a good draw for us as well tomorrow. Think Bournemouth could be a good draw. They might be under more pressure in the league so less focus on the cup. Same with Leicester.
Anyone can miss. I'm talking about the pressure perspective for the team going to shoot. Definitely the team going to shoot second will be under no pressure if the first team scores, as they can take the lead quickly. If they missed their first 2 penalties, then they're idiots as they were not under heavy pressure.
Well fair enough. We may delay our judgement on it till we see more of it, but my impressions since the Community Shield weren't very good and this game came to reinforce it.
Yeah, the game will come just before playing Arsenal away, so a nice easy home draw would be welcomed.
Your logic is full of fallacies. Both teams equally face the scenario of scoreboard pressure from being behind if both sides continue to convert perfectly. If Team A scores their initial penalty, then Team B is in the situation that Team A will be in if Team B converts their two. For some reason, you are acting as if there’s no pressure for Team B being down 1-0, but monumental pressure for Team A if they are then down 1-2.
We don't need less pressure in penalty shootouts. Pressure is what they are about. This new sequence is just absolutely horrible, and destroying everything that is special about penalty shootouts.
Genuinely surprised that anyone could be upset with the new penalty format.
There is no less pressure. The same percentage of shots will be taken both with the scoreboard level and with one team behind in both systems, if teams score at any given rate. The pressure shots, definded as those taken when behind on the scoreboard, are just spread between the two teams.
Genuinely suprised how anyone can not hate it. Hope it doesn't catch on.
Some proper OTT reactions in this thread. Destroying everything that is special about penalty shootouts? Really now.
I am up for spicing up the sport within boundaries such as this change and the video review. The only change I ever really hated was the golden goal nonsense while the silver one was slightly less annoying.
I am up for spicing up the sport within boundaries such as this change and the video review. The only change I ever really hated was the golden goal nonsense while the silver one was slightly less annoying.
As I said in my last post, any team can miss and I'm sure there'll circumstances in which the first team will win, put from pressure perspective, definitely taking the lead 2-1 early and putting the other team under pressure to equalize. If you miss the penalty after getting down 2-1. I'm pretty sure in most circumstances you'll also miss the second penalty and it'll be all over, happened for both Chelsea in CS and Wolves today. I easily predicted Wolves to miss the third penalty.
You'll never understand this till we're ourselves Team A and tailing 2-1.
That's not it. It's also about the rituals of players having to walk to the spot, GKs having to leave and return, with inevitable progression. This is broken up, and with it much of what creates the special tension of football penatly shootouts.
But why is that so much more pressure than being 3-1 down in the old system? Miss and you're almost certainly out too. Regardless of which approach is used missing two back to back pens is clearly going to reduce your chances of winning massively.
If anything I'd say the new format takes away some of the suspense in a shootout, but like I mentioned above, be interested to see it in a close penalty shoot out. At the moment people complaining about the system whenever a the shootout is shit.
But we’re fine when we’re Team B and trailing 1-0? Or are 1-1 after three penalties? Again, your reasoning is full of holes.
You're wrong already to mix up the notions of penalty shootouts and 'reasoning'. Are you American?
Agreed. It’s purely a perception that some view it as less pressure. It’s not. If you miss one of your two the other team could well be 3-1 up before you know it and you’ve got to score your two just to stay in it with a penalty less to go!
Penalty shootouts aren’t special. They’re just a necessary evil in cup competitions to progress a side, because in football it is so difficult to score compared to other team ball sports. Football does everything it practically can to avoid them, even playing an additional 30 minutes, when it is clear most sides no longer have the physical capabilities in the intense modern game to play anywhere near optimally in extra time.
What's the problem in trailing 1-0 if you're having 2 penalties after at the very start of the shootout.
All scenarios will happen, but if we measure the percentage I'm pretty sure we'll find the second team winning moat of times.