How do you know for sure that Zidane would guaranteed want to come here?
L'Equipe : Zidane wants United job / all spaculation no updates
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How do you know for sure that Zidane would guaranteed want to come here?
No idea what you are going on about.
If Zidane was offered the job he would take it. So you for some odd reason agree with me then disagree at the same time.
Risky challenge? No, if Zidane fails he can say the other three managers before him didn’t do any better and he would get the French, PSG or Juve job.
You do realise failing at one job doesn’t get you blackballed for life from other clubs. Conte failed last season, do you think he’d have any trouble getting another job? Mourinho failed at Madrid in his last season? Did he have any trouble? Ancelotti has failed at various clubs, did he have any issues?
The list of failed managers who go from job to job, despite their failures, is endless.
Madrid weren't entertaining to watch though, they came alive in the late stages of the CL but they didn't really play good football.
Exactly. Besides Pep, every other manager has had some sort of failure or been sacked.
I said he "may" end up here but I don't find a reason why any top manager will love to take such a toxic job when better options will be available later on. You're talking as if we have been winning league titles year in year out and every manager will love a shot here if they want.
The point you couldn't deny and running around it is there're other jobs who are easier, less challenging and offer less headache for their own managers than United at the moment, so don't talk that confidently as if we're in a shape everyone would love to be at it. We only have our prestige as the most successful club in England at the moment to lure managers. We don't have great chance of success or cheque books.
How did Conte fail with Chelsea ? The guy won the league in his first season with +90 points and won the cup in his second season despite the board not giving him the players he wanted. His period at Chelsea can't be described as a failure by any means.
It's also pretty poor mentioning Carlo considering after his miserable failure at Bayern he's managing Napoli now. In almost all his previous clubs, he had at least one great season.
Your measurement of failure is flawed. A manager who won big trophies at any club can't be considered a failure in general just because his last season had issues. You need to look at his tenure as a whole.
Could argue his time at Bayern was pretty poor, they certainly don't rate him too much and he pissed off the highly respected club doctor.
From the first day half of United fans didn't want Jose. So why do some want Conte? They are exactly same type of managers
How do you know that? It’s not like Madrid played fantastic offensive football.
The truth is that Manchester United fans won’t be satisfied with playing offensive football if the team isn’t winning. To get the team up to the level the fans will be happy with it will take a lot more than a change of manager.
Zidane would be a good choice but it worries me if the club and the fans think it’s a quick fix and everything will be good to go.
It will take years and plenty of successful transfer windows to get to that point regardless of who the manager is.
Again you keep mentioning other jobs. Bayern and PSG just hired managers in the summer. So you think Zidane or Conte are going to be waiting 1 or 2 years for those job when the Manchester United job is available.
You are kidding yourself if you think our club is toxic and think everything is rosey at PSG. Neymar controls that dressing room and even dictates when he wants to play. So tell me a manager who’d want to join that as you like making assumptions.
We just gave Jose Mourinho around £350m to spend and he failed massively. The next manager will be backed along those lines.
What are you going on about my measurement of failure is flawed? You keep saying the next manager might be scared to join us because they scared of failing which is utter bollocks. If they fail here then they’d get another job elsewhere. That’s how it works.
beIN apparently reporting we have made initial contact, though the timing seems pretty convenient to be a coincidence.
Honestly I have no idea if Zidane would be a good appointment. I'm all for it, as it'd mean Mourinho would be gone which has to be our #1 priority right now. But it would have a bit of a feel of chasing a few trophies (even though it was 3xCL titles in a row...). I think we'd see a huge improvement in general mood at the club, better man management, and a better attitude in general and more attacking approach. Would it be fantastic football? Would we win trophy after trophy? Feck knows. But can't be worse then where we are headed with Mourinho.
Main priority has to be getting rid of Mourinho right now. After that, I'd be equally okay with a caretaker manager and doing a thorough vetting process to find the manager that suits what we really want to be as a football club.
Main priority has to be getting rid of Mourinho right now. After that, I'd be equally okay with a caretaker manager and doing a thorough vetting process to find the manager that suits what we really want to be as a football club.
When the next manager doesn't succeed, I look forward to people blaming Jose for that too.
The club owners are satisfied with 4th place and the knockout phase of the CL.
They won't sack Jose until it's mathematically impossible for us to get top four.
The club owners are satisfied with 4th place and the knockout phase of the CL.
They won't sack Jose until it's mathematically impossible for us to get top four.
You probably don't know that Tuchel has 2 years contract only. Next season will he his last year. PSG clearly hired him as a stop gap till a big name is available.
The job is indeed toxic. You're talking about trivial things like supporters or dressing room stuff. No one care about that. It's the success and chance of doing it that matters. The club has been in a mess for 6 years without managing a single title challenge. Why would anyone favors this and leaves other jobs that will give him far more chance to succeed ?
You're running around this question and don't have an answer. If you can't give a good solid reason then stop.
As for failure, you were the one trolling at first if you think the likes of Conte and Carlo had failed in their previous jobs after winning league/CL in their first season just because they had a dodgy second one.
Zidane was available when those managers were hired though?
Fairly sure they're a shite source, could be wrong though.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/zidane-planning-break-after-real-madrid-exit
Said he would take a break. Remember when Pep took a break for a year after leaving Barca ?
Wouldn't understand either.
It's just a rumor anyway and some people here take it for granted.
Take a look at the frontpage of L'équipe (first page of the topic), it just says that Zidane "seems attracted" by a PL experiment and that Man Utd "could be" his favorite destination.
To sum up, it says nothing.
The main question is Zidane that good coach or he just found the best way to use one of the best squads ever. His style was to control the game and have faith in superstars in attack. Don't get me wrong here, the way how Real played was amazing for me. They had great balance. They switched styles during games which was fantastic thing. But, was it because of Zidane or amazing quality in squad?
There is nothing clear about it and I would say that it's totally wrong. If you base that on the 2 years, it's the model that they decided to follow in order to not have to pay huge compensations if they have to sack, 2+1 years.
Those are contradictory statements mate. While I don't disagree with the first statement, I don't see how anyone in their right mind can think that Jose, in the the current context, will get us top 4 this season. Doesn't make sense to me. It is early enough in the season for us to make a change.
Almost all big clubs hire managers on 3 years contract at least.
I said that on the day they hired him there and I remember you disagreed with it iirc but I maintain it. The length of contract proves that they don't trust him that much and don't want to have problems getting rid of him later on if he doesn't succeed, till a top manager is available.
Let's see if he'll be there the year after next.
Second world class manager with who we look criminal. Maybe it is not only the manager, isn't it?
If only the manager would explain the part about playing to your teammates rather than the other team.
I dont think he would. Not in this state. He was clever enough to leave Madrid when he had the chance why would he come to us. Id take Conte anyday. Hire him as interim. Sign a technical director. See how he does until summer. If he does well keep him and sign everyone he wants. If not we should be lining up a long term manager.
It proves that they are not idiots, they gave him a 3 years contract where they can opt out after 2. And of course they don't trust him why would anyone trust a new manager?
Because they appointed him ?
Admittedly I only saw Madrid on the box, and not often, but they looked far easier on the eye than United do right now.
Who's that, Mourinho? Don't make me laugh.
That would be a really stupid reason, an appointment means nothing there are no guarantees. They control him for three years which is a normal length but they are protected.
You don't appoint a manager unless you trust him. If you're doubtful about him why not simply go for another choice ?
And anyway, if you're indeed believing they don't trust him, aren't you with that basically agreeing with my initial point that he's a mere stop gap ?
These Zidane rumours are so strange. This looks like a nightmare job right now, tons of work to be done. I cannot for the life of me believe he would be interested in this.
There are degrees of trust, it's not a black or white situation, you can trust someone to give them a chance but not trust him enough to make a long term commitment. The thing that you seem to miss is that PSG have the three years that you mentioned but they have an opt out for which we don't know the conditions. It's also important to remember that these opt outs are fairly normal, Mourinho most likely has some in his contract too.
Again, if you see them not trusting him that much doesn't that proof my earlier point anyway, that they signed him with eyes on replacing him any time soon ?
Do you honestly think top managers run away from huge opportunities because of the monumental task at hand? Most ambitious managers relish the challenge of molding a team in their own image, especially a massive club like ours and all the prestige that comes with it. The work that needs to be done is a huge part of it.
No because a club that is properly managed will never trust someone that comes from the outside and that they don't know yet. Tuchel is supposed to be the choice of the king himself, so I believe that they have faith in his abilities but that they are professional enough to put the club's interest first and protect themselves from any problem.
We aren't exactly league one fodder. This is Manchester United, one of the most attractive clubs in the world. Any manager would be proud to have our club on his CV. Rich history, a (normally) good transfer budget, high wages and worldwide exposure. Plus, we aren't so far off the rest of the top 6 for any manager to think we are a lost cause.
We have made 2 bad appointments (Moyes and LvG) and one below average one (Mourinho). This doesn't mean we can never get it right.
So they gave him 2 years contract so that next year if it doesn't work they'll get rid without much troubles while getting a top manager if one is available. Basically what I said, no ?
Was completely against this and in wanted us to back Mourinho but surely he can't do any worse right?