Player wise England are only second to France and there is not much in that even. Southgate having a horrible style of football clouds people to the talent this England team has.
Spain play way better as a team compared to Germany.
Let's all laugh at Germany
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Spain play way better as a team compared to Germany.
On the basis of what?!
Re. England I agree. I would probably put Brazil second. And then England. But if the manager doesn't want / doesn't know how to use the talent of the squad, then the team as a sum will fail. England in 2004 had x100 the talent of the Greek squad, but when you use your best players in random positions, then the result won't come. I never said that Germany has better players: I just think they play better as a unit.
When England get knocked out, the English laugh along with everyone else at our team being knocked out again. When Germany get knocked out, the Germans get offended by everyone else laughing at their team.
What’s really cute is some of the German fans trying to pretend they aren’t bothered about England.
It’s on par with Man City fans believing everyone else is bothered by them.Auf weidersehen
Does Germany now have to accept that they are minnows?
Why would germans be bothered about England?What’s really cute is some of the German fans trying to pretend they aren’t bothered about England.
I love these generalizations. I remember plenty of England fans getting offended as well when they crashed out in the Euros and England were made fun of.
Well, we are now definitely more minnows then powerhouse, that's for sure.
There’s nothing to jinx for England fans. Our coach is Gareth Southgate.
The Germans view the Dutch as their main rivals.
I hate England because I have exposure to their fans and mediaWhat’s really cute is some of the German fans trying to pretend they aren’t bothered about England.
Most Germans I know don't hate England though, more Italy from what I've seen. In the Euro final I think most were supporting England while I was for Italy
A number of nations would happily have a "fluke" major tournament win rather than just have a high FIFA ranking. Euros and WC is what it counts for European countries. Likes of England have not had such a fluke win for close to 60 years now.
the Dutch? As a German I'd say our main rivals are the Italians.
Of course the Germans try to pick on the little Dutch instead of the mighty English. It's pathetic.
Bad finishing was a theme for them across three matches. Against Japan they should have been 2 or 3 up by the time they conceded the first goal. Even against Spain, they had chances to win the game towards the end. Against Costa Rica, they should have scored 2 or 3 more goals. You can't just be unlucky to miss so many chances across three matches. They need to invest in new forwards.
Exactly. We'll beat the average to shite sides then as soon as he comes across a decent team or a coach with a clue and a capable side, we'll be out. That means QF's this time at best.
Not that black and white
I'd agree with this, although the rivalry with Italy is a bit more of a recent thing
Whats the story with rivalries with Netherlands and Italy about?
How and when did it start?
How and when did it start?
i’m a little rusty on the subject but from memory it all started due to something to do with rio ferdinand.
It's definitely Italy. Every sane german hates the italian national team. We do not care that much about the Dutch, from my experience at least. England not at all either. But Italy can make blood boil.
Dutch and Italians. Unless I'm missing something they don't really care about England.
Not sure how it could be called a fluke going on a record breaking streak, making a final of a major tournament and winning on the oppo’s turf. Imo the look a lot better than what they were dishing up under the Ventura era.
Back on topic - Germany you suck.
apparently, german fans were shouting "f#ck you taliban" and "israel" towards arab fans in the stadium after the final whistle.
lovely bunch, aren't they?
lovely bunch, aren't they?
They still scored 4 goals against Costa Rica, since they conceded 2, they would have needed to score 9, unlikely. Against Spain yeah they had chances but so did Spain, 1-1 was a fair enough result. Japan game yes they could have finished them off but still if they could defend better they would have got at least a 1-1 draw and gone through.
They need to get Klopp in.
Well, es kommt nicht nach Hause
Italy is to Germany what Germany is to England...the team that keeps eliminating you from big tournaments and every time you wonder how you lost even though you thought you were the better team. And just as England finally beat Germany in 2021 Germany finally got past Italy in 2016.
The Netherlands are just a semi-friendly sibling rivalry. It used to be a lot more serious because of WW2 but nowadays it doesn't feel like that big of a deal anymore.
I agree with most of your point with the exception of Messi. Argentina are not very good without him. Most of the good for them has him playing a huge part.
Ah I see, thanks.
We had a whole thread in here where tons upon tons of England fans were offended when they were laughed at after losing the Euros and many were up themselves talking about everyone being anti English etc all over some football banter
If memory serves me right, isn't that the reason Rijkaard gave in 1990 after the dirty bastard spat on Rudi Voeller during the world cup match, Italy I'd say is due to them being their main Euro rivals for trophies given the English well, always seem to bottle it at tournaments and where seen as the stepping stone to be kicked to the side and not worry about.
Nah with Italy it's the fact Germany couldn't buy a win against them in a competitive match until a few years ago
I think the 'anti-english' stuff was in response to people literally saying terrible things about English people, not laughing about Saka and Rashford missing a penalty. But yeah, you are right though, some people definitely got a bit overly emotional in the face of the lighthearted banter.
Let's be honest Germans might hate England even more than Italy. Let's not forget that at the EURO2020 final they were rooting for us
Now that Germany got their win vs Italy in an official tournament match, our rivalry is more about trophies than real hate.
Given they're the most successful european NT (4 WC, 3 Euros) and we're 2nd (4 WC, 2 Euros) it's clear they want to stay on top while we want to catch them (hopefully we will at EURO2024 in their own home)
Now that Germany got their win vs Italy in an official tournament match, our rivalry is more about trophies than real hate.
Given they're the most successful european NT (4 WC, 3 Euros) and we're 2nd (4 WC, 2 Euros) it's clear they want to stay on top while we want to catch them (hopefully we will at EURO2024 in their own home)
I’m a little bit sad because I wanted to see more of Musiala. It was really fun to watch him play. Great talent.
Okay fair enough on the bolded, if that happened then yeah that's out of order. However a lot of people definitely did get overly emotional, as you said.
In the 70s it was about the duel of styles, Cruyff's total football versus the proverbial German ruthlessness and efficiency. So there is a lot more history to it than just that event in the 90s.
In general I feel like it depends also on the region you live in if you see Italy or the Netherlands as more important, for me as a Northerner the Dutch are much more interesting, but I feel like in the south that's different.
Nonetheless I would say those two and Brazil are the main rivalries due to history, maybe I would add Argentina next. England might aspire to be one of that main rivals for us, but they simply are one of many and not outstanding.