LGBT issues in Football
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Yeah I really don't know. I just like Hungary and feel uncomfortable with Germans giving them a moral lesson.
These days if you say you're English you get arrested and thrown in jail.
I don't get why they have bothered to ask UEFA in the first place.
Just for saying you're English?
What if the Germans ignores UEFA and decides to light up the Allianz Arena with rainbow colours, what can UEFA do? Kick them out of the competition? No they wouldn't. Just do it if they want to...it's their stadium no? They can do whatever they want with it.
The moral lesson would be directed to politicians not the people.
That's the point, I'm not sure I agree with any of the political issues in football. Let the players do it, or not do it, according to their choice, but don't plaster some logo all over your brand just to pretend like you care.
There are many. I know what the elites want me to think, so I don't need the lectures.
But the point here is that there is a principle of not using sports to transport your political views. I totally agree with this approach. It's simple and fair.
On top of this over 99% of germans can't name any hungarian politician besides Mr Orban and they have no clue what the law is about which was now passed and they would have no answer to the question
why exactly this matter is so important compared to others. But of course today you will see many flags in the stadium and clueless people waving them.
By German politicians nonetheless. A bit rich.
Come again?
Forgot the /s there, Jippy.
Coming back to an earlier point, religion isn't really outside this though. Race and sexual orientation are both simple biological facts, and hence any equity, diversity, and inclusion debate should treat them both the same way. Acceptance for debates on racism have gone the way of the dodo, primarily due to its 20th century history. But the reason why UEFA considers the treatment of sexual orientation a political issue, is because it is still considered a legitimate subject of political debate, which it wouldn't be if the major religions didn't have opinions against it. Although the issue to discuss should then be the influence of religions on contemporary society; not what individual religions may or not prescribe, or say in this or that book.
I mean it's a bit hard to take moral lessons from you, isn't it
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I couldn’t agree more. Homophobes should not be taught morality, but shunned from civilized societies where, much like racists, they do not belong. If that comes off as intolerant on my part, it’s because that’s exactly how I intended it to come off.
Wow you're really hard, boy, go on!
What an enlightened, free thinking post
I believe they should have gone with it. As you said, why even bother asking? It is Germany. A country where german rules should be applied. Unless UEFA own stadium in some way or there is clear rules forbidding this kind of things, I don't see how they could stop this?
They say it is political. Well, isn't going down on knee political? Isn't choice of stadiums or where Euro would be political. Everything is political.
You’d like that I’m sure, but you’re not worthy of anything more than derision, and you’re barely worth derision.
I am not sure why inclusion is a political point. Is racism? If it isn't, why is inclusion? Or if they're both, are you also against UEFA taking a stance against racism?
Second, so what's the lecture then? Do you feel lectured if players take a knee? Does lighting a stadium in rainbow colours feel like a lecture to you?
Also, I'm not sure why people would need to know the name of Hungarian politicians besides Orbán (who is anyway running the country in a very authoritarian way) to join a protest against a Hungarian homophobic law. Why are you bringing that up? Sounds like whataboutism to me.
You're just deflecting and obscuring with talk about 'elites' and being 'lectured' - but it's very simple:
Either you believe in equality or you don't.
The feck?
Hmmmm so am I worth derision or not? Have you stopped taking pills or something?
The feck indeed if it needs explaining hmm
Ok then countries where you're outnumbered will treat you exactly like that
He's tough enough to take it. A real warrior.
What are you trying to achieve with your posts in this thread?
Never mind you liking Hungary for now (Hungary or Orban?). Never mind you believing a million Christians are getting beheaded each year.
When are you going to tell us about why those Polish LGBT+ groups are getting attacked by the far right?
Probably the same to all of you. Nothing.
I was very concerned there for a bit but after extensive research of international law I have concluded that i cannot be legally compelled to move to Hungary. I better go unpack now.
I'm a bit concerned that this post garnered a like.
Cool long as the majority keeps agreeing with you you're safe then
I explained it before. Lgbt groupsnhere are wankers who provoke immensely by doong shameful stuff. They could've well been bald guys protesting against lack of hair and if they'd done what lgbt group di, they would've been seen the same way.
No, you didn't. You asked a rhetorical question, you didn't say what they actually did.
Go on, then. What are the LGBT+ groups doing to deserve the attacks?
Like what? Please elaborate.
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What about Poland?
You've already said you don't care about politics. So I'm assuming you are just hoping to say things that piss off the people who do care about it.
I saw that as well and noticed that it came from the same user that likes „this sort of post“ every now and then