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The more I see him, more I think he could do it on a rainy Monday night against Stoke.
does it have to be a monday?
The more I see him, more I think he could do it on a rainy Monday night against Stoke.
What? He has no-where near the range of Maradona. He's excellent when it comes to short passing near and inside the box, but he doesn't pull the strings of attack from as deep as Maradona did.To be honest, Messi's passing is better than the ones shown in this clip..
It's irresistable, one has to make up a kind of opinion where one edges it over the other... Or at least that's what my views do. I just see Maradona as a bigger force for the entire team, rather than just against the other team. As well as combining it with most of what makes Messi so magical. That and the fact that he didn't at any time play in any side as well-oiled as the one Messi plays for, makes me regard Maradona as the better player. Just an opinion.Maradona may have been a better passer of the ball than Messi, but you've got to remember that the two are different sort of players.
Messi has made his career as a winger, and then as a false nine striker. Maradona, on the other hand, was always more of a second striker type player. His creativity and ability to assist was more important, so it's no surprise to see that he would have been a better passer of the ball than Messi is. With Messi, you've got other things that he does a lot better than Maradona. He'll score a lot more goals than him, but then again, that's the very least you would expect.
To be honest, the two shouldn't be compared as often as they are. Apart from the fact that they were both small Argentinians who had a gift with the ball at their feet, there aren't too many similarities between the two. It would actually be more viable to compare Messi to a player like Pele, if we're comparing him to some of the all-time legends.
There's nothing wrong with comparing the two of them, but it's just the fact that it happens on a constant basis, when they're actually very different footballers. Very rarely do we hear the argument of Pele vs Messi coming up, even though it would probably be more appropriate, if we're trying to do a direct comparison. The only time a Pele vs Messi debate ever seems to come up is when Pele starts running his mouth off.It's irresistable, one has to make up a kind of opinion where one edges it over the other... Or at least that's what my views do. I just see Maradona as a bigger force for the entire team, rather than just against the other team. As well as combining it with most of what makes Messi so magical. That and the fact that he didn't at any time play in any side as well-oiled as the one Messi plays for, makes me regard Maradona as the better player. Just an opinion.
Here is a sample of Messi's passing from more than 2 years ago, when Messi was still not really known for his passing.. His passing has improved significantly since then..What? He has no-where near the range of Maradona. He's excellent when it comes to short passing near and inside the box, but he doesn't pull the strings of attack from as deep as Maradona did.
Maradona drops several passes that would make us think of Scholes in that vid. I might've seen Messi impress like that once or twice, but Maradona did it with consummate ease near all of his career.
Not a surprise. I was at the Betis game last weekend and he only ran when he actually had the ball, for the most part.Last week on Canal+ they made a study on Messi's game and they concluded that he was the Barca player (bar the keeper of course) who runs the less in total.He is the one who walks the most but while doing so he's always analyzing the position of his teammates and opponents.
the hattrick:
It's not that difficult to watch them play though. Here's 6 of Pele's 7 games in the '70 WC, took about two minutes to find and even with slow internet this could be downloaded in a day...But this doesn't annoy me anywhere as near as people saying who were born after the Pele, Maradonna and co days saying that, for example, Pele is the greatest footballer. You have never fecking watched him play!
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The era Maradona played in was far more cynical and ruthless with better defenders and defensive set-ups, not only that, Italian football of the time was notoriously miserly and negative. Defenders would take attackers out wherever possible and because of this, great goals scored then could be said to have been of the utmost quality.
Another week, another amazing goal.
It's gotten to a point where I can't help but think that old timers who say Maradona was better than him must be exaggerating as I don't know just how can any player in any era surpass what Messi is doing right now.
Didn't see Maradona at all but it's hard to see or imagine anyone being better than Messi right now.
Aye, that's why I think people can over-egg his work ethic if he happens to chase back into midfield the ball once a game, whereas in reality he does very little off the ball (even less than Ibrahimovic did). And why would you want him to waste his energy when he's so devastating on the ball.Last week on Canal+ they made a study on Messi's game and they concluded that he was the Barca player (bar the keeper of course) who runs the less in total.He is the one who walks the most but while doing so he's always analyzing the position of his teammates and opponents.
Players peak at different rates. At age 20, Messi, for all his precociousness, was well behind Ronaldo and Pele.Platini was my favourite European player back in the 80's. But he won his first Ballon d'Or at the age of 28. What Messi has done up to this moment is way more than what the other great players have achieved at the same age with the possible exclusion of Pele who became world champion with Brazil already as a teenager.
Maradona had achieved far less at Messi's age, the same goes virtually for any other player in history.
It's a bit baffling to mention Puskas, as great he was as a goalscorer. Even Ronaldo is scoring goals at a higher rate than Puskas, as a forward Messi is clearly superior to Puskas in every significant respect.
Achievement is relative to the team a player is in, usually. Individual brilliance, however, will stand regardless.Platini was my favourite European player back in the 80's. But he won his first Ballon d'Or at the age of 28. What Messi has done up to this moment is way more than what the other great players have achieved at the same age with the possible exclusion of Pele who became world champion with Brazil already as a teenager.
Maradona had achieved far less at Messi's age, the same goes virtually for any other player in history.
It's a bit baffling to mention Puskas, as great he was as a goalscorer. Even Ronaldo is scoring goals at a higher rate than Puskas, as a forward Messi is clearly superior to Puskas in every significant respect.
I don't agree with that. Platini is Zidane level and didn't have the same technique as Zidane either, let alone Messi.Platini coming through with a team of Barcelona's class would have been just as, if not more frightening, a proposition as Messi is and I think you could say that for all the players mentioned at that level of peerage.
Because the 'dribbling maestros' have much more to their game than just dribbling.Why are only dribbling maestros candidates for best player ever? How about defenders, keepers, and deep lying midfielders?
I'm not saying they don'tBecause the 'dribbling maestros' have much more to their game than just dribbling.
then go to a ping pong forumI'm bored of Messi.
I was very specific in my post, in which I said:I think Danny would just laugh at the thought of Messi being a better passer once he saw just one game of his.
I didn't judge based on something I didn't see. I watched the clip, and commented on it, unlike you, as you commented on my post without reading it.To be honest, Messi's passing is better than the ones shown in this clip..
I can post this...can you post the gifs of ronaldo's penalties?
Of course, and to your surprise, I have.. However, that's not the point. I was talking about a specific clip which somebody posted here as a "proof" that Maradona's passing is way better than Messi's. I was merely pointing out the fact (or the opinion) that the ones shown in THAT clip are not out of Messi's league..Maradona's passing brilliance is there for all to see though, that's his passing highlights. Saying his passing's better than those in the clips and his passing's better overall are largely the same thing. You'd probably just appreciate it more/differently if you saw a game...it was a completely harmless comment. I do genuinely think you'd laugh at the thought of it. Would you be interesting in watching a game of his?
I don't know what you mean with the first paragraph. "Platini is Zidane level." Zidane level at what?I don't agree with that. Platini is Zidane level and didn't have the same technique as Zidane either, let alone Messi.
You don't need to talk about the team around him to see that Messi's ability on the ball are at a level that simply can't be matched by anyone save Maradona, Pele and perhaps a young Ronaldo. He does stuff others simply can't or couldn't.
There's no doubting Messi's dribbling is comfortably up there with the best ever in that facet of the game. Ronaldo, Maradona, Magico Gonzalez, Garrincha, Best... Messi doesn't look at of place in the company of any of them.Messi dribbles at a higher speed. Sure some of the others don't have his speed and therefor it's easy to assume that Messi is better at dribbling but then again, you wouldn't know how good they'd be at dribbling at Messi's pace if they had it.
& you haven't even mentioned the Dutch master himself...or BestI don't know what you mean with the first paragraph. "Platini is Zidane level." Zidane level at what?
Also, in terms of technique, what do you think seperates Zidane from Messi?
Your second paragraph is hyperbolic. Those aren't the only 3 players who had technique on par with Messi.
Ronaldinho, Zico, Magico Gonzalez, Platini (his passing is equivocal to Messi's dribbling, his free kicks were on par with any great who has played. His ability to trap a ball is on par as was his finishing and overall shooting technique) all come to mind immediately and if I gave it some thought there would be others.
This 'Messi, Maradona & Pele' only thing is a fallacy. There have been great players who are now looked upon in a different light because they didn't win the world cup. Zico is one such player, Platini is another. Prior to WC '86 it was pretty much a 3-way tie between those two and Maradona if one of the other two had won the WC and Maradona did not, they would have claimed the lion's share of the praise that is now reserved for Maradona. There's very little that seperates them on the field outside of Maradona's ability to dribble to such a standard and carry the ball on lengthy runs as well as his charisma and will to win. As number ten's all 3 of them were phenomenal players - there's no chasm between them and where Zico and Platini could not dribble as well as Messi, they had the passing and free kick ability he does not (to the same degree).