Steven Seagull
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What else is there to say?
We could talk about his facial hair? Personally I think he looks better with a beard.What else is there to say?
He was still better in 2014-2015 and 2010-2011 IMO. People forget how incredible he was during 2010-2011.To those who have followed his career more closely: I know he had several wonder seasons, but was he actually better than so far this season in any of them?
He had his record season where he played further up front and scored even more. I'd say he was also a better dribbler back then because he had a better top speed and more explosiveness (though he still can accelerate incredibly fast). But he's at his playmaking best and his decision making has never been better IMO. He's also doing it currently without history's best midfield respectively front three. After all it depends on what you prefer but it simply doesn't get much better than this.To those who have followed his career more closely: I know he had several wonder seasons, but was he actually better than this season (so far) in any of them?
He used to play with Xavi and Iniesta for a very long time which must have helped a bit. Now he's doing it all himself.To those who have followed his career more closely: I know he had several wonder seasons, but was he actually better than this season (so far) in any of them?
In 12/13 in the league he played 32 games, scored 46 goals and got 12 assists. He scored 91 goals in the calendar year of 2012....To those who have followed his career more closely: I know he had several wonder seasons, but was he actually better than this season (so far) in any of them?
This is what is most impressive. He plays so much deeper than he used to, yet, he's still rivalling anyone in the world in terms of goals-per-game ratio, whilst having the creative influence and statistical influence from assists and chances created of an elite CM.37 games - 39 goals - 21 assists
All just my opinion:To those who have followed his career more closely: I know he had several wonder seasons, but was he actually better than so far this season in any of them?
Good list, agreed that 10/11 & 14/15 are his best season overall.All just my opinion:
2010/11 and 2014/15 he was several orders of magnitude better.
2009/10 and 2011/12 clearly better.
2008/09, 2012/13, 2016/17, 2017/18 arguably on the same level depending on your criteria (he had some equally stunning performances at the Bernábeu and the Villamarín again, where he was applauded by the Betis fans back then too). Though if he has a couple more high-profile games like this, the Sevilla and Spurs ones in the CL and his base level doesn't drop this season would easily be elevated to anything from his 3rd to 5th best.
I think that does it for me, purely as a matter of preference, as you say. Just love the mix of total calmness and pure genius with which he dictates the attacks in the opposition half. The whole situation for his late shot on post today sums it up perfectly.But he's at his playmaking best and his decision making has never been better IMO. He's also doing it currently without history's best midfield respectively front three. After all it depends on what you prefer but it simply doesn't get much better than this.
No other player in the world is doing that. No way. Unbelievable.
I still think it's one of Messi's best games, in the conversation for his best alongside the semi finals vs Madrid and Bayern. Sensational from start to finish, there were times when it was like Zidane vs Brazil in 2006 but of course he had more end product. The ending with the 500 + the celebration just completed the package.This is one of my favorite clips ever. Not because of Messi's goal.
1. Build up from the other commentator
2. Ray Hudson's initial ejaculation
3. "... sinks his spear, into the hearts, of Real Madrid"
4. The frame of Marcelo collapsing
5. Casemiro looking from the sideline
6. Enrique jumping
7. Ronaldo histrionics
8. Messi's celebration
9. The referee's slow and deliberate yellow card motion
10. The goal replay
11. "... cool as the seeds inside a cucumber"
Same - at that time I was just desperate for anyone to dethrone Barca so everytime I watched him I'd be looking at the opposition players and hoping there were 2-3 in cover whenever he got the ball. I think I literally was focusing on the opposition trying to get back into shape more than him dribblingCheers @everyone
To think this is not even seen as his (joint) peak by many...
Makes me wish I had watched him more, well, religiously in the past.
People who don't admit that are lying to themselves. He is to football what Usain Bolt is to sprinting. A different breed.He’s actually making a mockery of the sport. Did you see him today? Surely he cannot be the same species as me. That highlight video posted in the previous page from less than a full season would be good enough for a typical world class player’s full career.
I’ve been lucky enough to watch him live a couple of times but I wish I lived in Barcelona to go watch him every other week. The space he makes for himself off the ball whilst barely walking is a different level, let alone what he does when he actually gets the ball.
For anyone who tries to argue that individual awards in team sports are a good way to measure a player’s career, I will simply tell them Messi came 5th in the 2018 Balon D’or, it’s an instant win in the argument for me.
In my humble opinion he’s better than ever, he’s refined his playmaking skills, retained his finishing ability and improved his decision making (somehow) at the trade off for a slight decline in his explosiveness and trickery. I’m looking forward to next season to see how he manages to improve himself
What a wasteSame - at that time I was just desperate for anyone to dethrone Barca so everytime I watched him I'd be looking at the opposition players and hoping there were 2-3 in cover whenever he got the ball. I think I literally was focusing on the opposition trying to get back into shape more than him dribbling
5th in the world would be an honour for the vast majority of players to have ever played the game. It really is an insult to him.This "he came 5th in the Ballon d'Or voting" has actually become a meme now, I read it under every DAZN Barca highlight video on Youtube ("not bad from the 5th best player in the world" etc.).
the reaction of the number 15 says it all.This chip goal from today is beyond incredible, my god
My great idol was always Ronaldinho and I was so pissed when he was forced out that I never really rated Messi back then. I loved the Brazilian trickery and to me Messi was just running past defenders exploiting his pace but not nearly as spectacular. Couldn't stand how quickly everybody seemed to have forgotten about Ronaldinho while Messi and Cristiano were already regarded as the best in history. I only started warming up to him credit after 2013 or so, so I missed out on his best years, too. Could slap myself for it because in hindsight Pep's Barca was really, really special.Same - at that time I was just desperate for anyone to dethrone Barca so everytime I watched him I'd be looking at the opposition players and hoping there were 2-3 in cover whenever he got the ball. I think I literally was focusing on the opposition trying to get back into shape more than him dribbling
Slightly OT but I recently saw this video about Barca from that time - amazing domination, especially the segments vs Real in the 5-0 game
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This is jaw dropping, just... unreal.
If only comparisons between footballers was as easy as comparisons between sprinters. It's easy to say Usain is the best of all time because, in recorded history, he simply is the best of all time.People who don't admit that are lying to themselves. He is to football what Usain Bolt is to sprinting. A different breed.
the carousel as Fergie called it. they really passed and pressed you into submission. their 2014/15 team was also very good and even more deadly imo.Same - at that time I was just desperate for anyone to dethrone Barca so everytime I watched him I'd be looking at the opposition players and hoping there were 2-3 in cover whenever he got the ball. I think I literally was focusing on the opposition trying to get back into shape more than him dribbling
Slightly OT but I recently saw this video about Barca from that time - amazing domination, especially the segments vs Real in the 5-0 game
Messi has off days, same as Bolt. But when he's on, I don't think there's anything that compares in the history of modern football. No one has that skillset of his. His combination of close control and vision is unmatched.If only comparisons between footballers was as easy as comparisons between sprinters. It's easy to say Usain is the best of all time because, in recorded history, he simply is the best of all time.
But at the same time, it's that intangible stuff that makes discussing football so fun
I scrolled down too far at first and was wondering where Messi was for a good 15-20 seconds. That's just ridiculous.