I agree to that, but that will be addressed by EtH. Bringing in a Cb with a determination higher than those we’ve got, can only be welcomed. We need a leader back there
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The compilations are all nice and pretty, but can he actually defend?
I agree, you just don’t mention the second part of the business deal, which is how much the buyer’s budget is affected by the price needed to pay. Then there is the added pressure of a 50m price tag. In a summer we need 5 reinforcement at least it’s very stupid to pay even 40m euros for a guy who excels in nothing, a makeshift CB who can play CDM and has proven very little outside of Holland.
He is not a player worth 50m to us considering the circumstances.
I’d rather watch Tuanzebe and Mengi play CB for us than having to watch another season of Fred and McT being dominated by Jonjoe Shelvey and Longstaff in midfield.
Yes but I’d rather wait 4 months for Timber rather than Martinez if it was a possibility
I'd rather watch CBs who dont keep making individual errors that cannot be placed on other players. Last season Varane, Maguire and Lindelof were making those.
Fred is a player that I suspect Ten Hag could get a lot more out off with proper coaching
Yes. Better than almost all of the CBs we've been linked to in the past several years
I heard someone liking him to Azpilicueta.
Unless he has a magic stick I doubt he will. The quality he lacks in passing, shooting, ball control and defensive play is beyond any type of coaching. I can’t believe people are still banging the same drum. As I said Shelvey is a better CM than him and that’s depressing.
If you think shelvey is better then I think you should go to the optician. Be careful to go into the right shop as your eyesight appears to be failing!
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That’s impressive
That must be impossible @Olecurls99 assured us the he watched Martinez play often and that he only panics and boots the ball
Yeah, he is a pressing machine with awesome work rate. Problem with Fred is, he loses concentration at times, that's why he takes loose touches but overall he brings lot to the team. His ability to make driving runs is very underrated too.
Makes perfect sense.
Yeah, but playing in our midfield is a nightmare. At pool or City you always have options, if you lose the ball there it's your fault. At United, especially last season the options were so few that even if you executed it correctly it was still likely to be easy to read and intercepted.
Yeah agree with that, our whole system (of lack of ) is shit. Players barely make runs to make themselves available for pass. Our system is a nightmare for player in possession, especially in midfield.
Passing is good. Contesting the ball however usually leads to either another 50/50 ball or the ball in the stands because of his height and lack of speed.That must be impossible @Olecurls99 assured us the he watched Martinez play often and that he only panics and boots the ball
My eyesight is actually a disaster, but I can recognise a turd player when I see one, and Fred fits perfectly.
Agree to disagreeIf Ronaldo leaves, we should abandon this deal and keep the cash for ST. I just don't see other way. Time to stop the srupid loans and sell some players too. I really want us to go for Osimhen, so we need as much money as we can save.
If Ronaldo leaves we'll get some cash from his sale as well as freeing up £20-30m in wages. That's enough to invest in a forward without having to abandon our pursuit of Ten Hags current targets
I agree some points are a little harsh I would certainly label Maguire as the worst defender last season but even aside this it's well known amongst the best managers that you build a strong team from back to front.
Since SAF retired the spine of United has been questionable and Ole is a huge downside of this with over 140 million on two defensive players who have been below par.
You know he's performing in the Champions League and his team have progressed much further than United have while he's been Centre Back. He's also been Argentina's best defender by all accounts. Silly to say he excels at nothing - just have a look at his fbref page. He is elite at almost everything you would want a modern defender to excel at except for aerial duels. He's press resistant, an amazing passer, combative and aggressive. Sounds like you're having a whinge for no reason.
Richard Arnold said in that leaked chat with fans that there could be £200mn in play under certain circumstances. I would hope this might be one of those circumstances.
He will be a failure in the PL as a CB, you can quote me on that. Being Argentina’s best CB in the company of Otamendi and Rojo means very little to me. As I said he is probably a good player but not someone worth 50m to us. If he was a specialist CDM I think he would have been a better fit at 30m euros.
I think if we get him and Eriken we are going to be playimg three at the back, the way I see it he is so good on the ball that he is an extra playmaker who will help with our creation and ball movement from deep. Frenkie and Fred in a two ahead, Dalot and Shaw as Wing backs and Bruno as a false nine flanked by Sancho and Rashford and we move.
Anyone think this transfer will actually happen? And if it does is he better then what we’ve already got? Where will we play him CB or DM?
CB. Ten Hag himself said during their time at Ajax that he's not suitable to play DM.
Going to cost us 90m in this market. No chsnce
Talking utter shite as we have seen. 120m with add on sales
My thoughts exactly. I see other members seems really relaxed when I am im panic tbh. We all know history repeats itself - I hope but I don't believe we will learn this time and not signing someone like Owen for free. I even think this time actually we will sign no one - I fully expect to enter the season with "new hopes" in Rashford and Martial. Antony at most, which gives me strong Memphis vibes. Mark my words
Ive been thinking this. suits everyone in the squad really. Only real issue would be Dalot at RWB, still far from convinced he's anywhere near it. But a team of
De Gea
Varane Martinez Maguire
Dalot De Jong Eriksen Shaw
Bruno --------- Sancho
Rashford
Varane Martinez Maguire
Dalot De Jong Eriksen Shaw
Bruno --------- Sancho
Rashford
the extra defender allows us to play De Jong, Eriksen and Bruno together, without being to suspect defensively. Martinez being as good on the ball as he is will also step up and play as an extra midfielder when in possession.
Rashford, Sancho and Bruno will be allow to move fluidly.
Like i said Dalot is the only one where i think it might need sorting
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But Ten Hag has the chance to build the team in his own image, and he has apparently never used a back three at any decent level.
With all the outgoings and potential incomings, wouldn't make sense if he ends up having to move away from what has always worked for him just to cater for the squad when he could just sign players that fits better.
pretty sure he's played a back 3 in holland? he didn't at ajax but he did previously i think?
i'm not saying it'll definitely happen i just think it could work. I could be wrong and it could be a totally different system
Fingers crossed
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This actually looks like a decent line up. plenty of creativity in there. My only problem would be, is Rashford capable of hitting 20+ goals a season? Think we’d need a more clinical forward and probably a better right sided player to replace dalot. Think Malacia may start ahead of Shaw aswell as he’s very good at attacking and that role may suit him.
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