- Joined
- Oct 30, 2020
- Messages
- 53
I believe Martinez will be very key to Ten Hags system. Think this might be our favorite purchase this summer looking back at it.
it wasn't his prefered system, but according to Transfermarkt he sometimes did use a back three at Utrecht.But Ten Hag has the chance to build the team in his own image, and he has apparently never used a back three at any decent level.
I quite like that lineup actually. Lots of flexibility, lots of movement upfront and I think it'd also allow Martinez to flourish with his passing from the back, without exposing his size too much.Ive been thinking this. suits everyone in the squad really. Only real issue would be Dalot at RWB, still far from convinced he's anywhere near it. But a team of
De Gea
Varane Martinez Maguire
Dalot De Jong Eriksen Shaw
Bruno --------- Sancho
Rashford
the extra defender allows us to play De Jong, Eriksen and Bruno together, without being to suspect defensively. Martinez being as good on the ball as he is will also step up and play as an extra midfielder when in possession.
Rashford, Sancho and Bruno will be allow to move fluidly.
Like i said Dalot is the only one where i think it might need sorting
Big if with Rashford, based on last season. but he did have productive seasons the previous 2 years, Im hoping we'll be a lot more creative this year so he'll have more chances. If Ronaldo stays he'll obviously start the majority I imagine.This actually looks like a decent line up. plenty of creativity in there. My only problem would be, is Rashford capable of hitting 20+ goals a season? Think we’d need a more clinical forward and probably a better right sided player to replace dalot. Think Malacia may start ahead of Shaw aswell as he’s very good at attacking and that role may suit him.
De jong and eriksen central mid, madnessIve been thinking this. suits everyone in the squad really. Only real issue would be Dalot at RWB, still far from convinced he's anywhere near it. But a team of
De Gea
Varane Martinez Maguire
Dalot De Jong Eriksen Shaw
Bruno --------- Sancho
Rashford
the extra defender allows us to play De Jong, Eriksen and Bruno together, without being to suspect defensively. Martinez being as good on the ball as he is will also step up and play as an extra midfielder when in possession.
Rashford, Sancho and Bruno will be allow to move fluidly.
Like i said Dalot is the only one where i think it might need sorting
With an extra Defender behind...De jong and eriksen central mid, madness
Not really. Schonne and FDJ was his midfield at Ajax and Schonne was an attacking midfielder.De jong and eriksen central mid, madness
With 3 defenders behind - all capable of stepping up tooDe jong and eriksen central mid, madness
The Premier league is somewhat different to Holland though. Even pep had to temper the attacking nature of his tactics somewhatNot really. Schonne and FDJ was his midfield at Ajax and Schonne was an attacking midfielder.
Point is, you don't know what ETHs plans are. Your assumption is as good as mine. So it's not exactly a long shot to say Eriksen will partner FDJ with an extra defender who can act us a DM , behind.The Premier league is somewhat different to Holland though. Even pep had to temper the attacking nature of his tactics somewhat
But I don't think Ten Hag is a noted user of 3 at the back very often, is he? Seems an unlikely place to start your assumption from if we're going to play guessing games about his ideas.Point is, you don't know what ETHs plans are. Your assumption is as good as mine. So it's not exactly a long shot to say Eriksen will partner FDJ with an extra defender who can act us a DM , behind.
I read this idea that centre halves in a back three can step up into midfield to help out defensively quite often on here, but in reality that isn't something that happens and is a notion that doesn't make sense. Similarly, the use of a back three doesn't reduce or remove the need to have a holding midfielder.With 3 defenders behind - all capable of stepping up too
Where about? He created a midfield unit consisting of two no.10s ahead of a single holding midfielder in conjunction with a front three that all stretched the pitch, and stormed to the title.The Premier league is somewhat different to Holland though. Even pep had to temper the attacking nature of his tactics somewhat
I’m not suggesting they step up defensively, what would be the point in that?I read this idea that centre halves in a back three can step up into midfield to help out defensively quite often on here, but in reality that isn't something that happens and is a notion that doesn't make sense. Similarly, the use of a back three doesn't reduce or remove the need to have a holding midfielder.
Where about? He created a midfield unit consisting of two no.10s ahead of a single holding midfielder in conjunction with a front three that all stretched the pitch, and stormed to the title.
Yeah but with all due respect the bottom half of the Dutch League is probably on par with league one or two in England.Not really. Schonne and FDJ was his midfield at Ajax and Schonne was an attacking midfielder.
You can't let one player do all the aerial battles for his partner. Doesn't work that way. We would never know Lindelof sucks in the air when he played with aerially dominant CBs like Varane, Smalling and Maguire if that was the case.I like Martinez, he's able to play as centre back but also as defensive midfield. I'm pretty sure a lot of people will think he's too tiny as centre back in the Premier League but Martinez is
Argentinian and he has the aggression to succeed in the Premier League. Let Varane do all the aerial battles. Martinez also has a fantastic crosspass. Would be a nice duo in the centre. What Ten Hag also likes is 1 defender to move to the midfield so you have a +1 on the midfield so you can dominate. Martinez knows how to do this. He did it also often at Ajax.
Yes considerably better on the ball than anyoneAnyone think this transfer will actually happen? And if it does is he better then what we’ve already got? Where will we play him CB or DM?
And yet , Pep plays it all the time without an actual DM ( Rodri is a deep lying play maker I know ).Yeah but with all due respect the bottom half of the Dutch League is probably on par with league one or two in England.
That midfield won't be good enough defensively against top ten PL teams. We will get ran through at ease.
That's why I said your guess is as good as mine. You also assume that he will play 4231 . Fact is, we both don't know what his plans are.But I don't think Ten Hag is a noted user of 3 at the back very often, is he? Seems an unlikely place to start your assumption from if we're going to play guessing games about his ideas.
Yes he is but at least has the attributes of a DMAnd yet , Pep plays it all the time without an actual DM ( Rodri is a deep lying play maker I know ).
Don't know, as I said it's a notion that doesn't make sense. I thought your post implied it as it was in response to someone else's retort at the idea of a de Jong-Eriksen midfield.I’m not suggesting they step up defensively, what would be the point in that?
They can step up when building up play though. Preferably Lisandro.
The Champions League from that season certainly wasn't on par with League One or Two in England though, was it? That Ajax side competed well against Bayern, Juventus, Real Madrid and Spurs. No-one can say for sure that ten Hag won't pair de Jong with Eriksen if we get them, or that it definitely will not work if he does. He has had success with a similar dynamic before.Yeah but with all due respect the bottom half of the Dutch League is probably on par with league one or two in England.
That midfield won't be good enough defensively against top ten PL teams. We will get ran through at ease.
If Maguire was done we wouldn't be rejecting talks about selling him.CB isn't high on my want list of new players but if ETH wants him maybe he's vital to what ETH wants to do
Maguire is likely done for now though
From playing Xavi a natural CM in midfield to playing two attacking mid KDB and Silva. Is that really tempering?The Premier league is somewhat different to Holland though. Even pep had to temper the attacking nature of his tactics somewhat
From Dani Alves to Kyle Walker is definitely tempering.From playing Xavi a natural CM in midfield to playing two attacking mid KDB and Silva. Is that really tempering?
Agreed here. I'm only worried about Martinez if we plan to play him as a CB in a 2. And also Antony because I doubt he's that good. Eriksen, FDJ and Malacia seems good transfers.I would agree with you if we were signing all 5 players from Ajax but I have to say give it some time. The only player that played for Ten Hag last season that we may end up getting is this guy.
Malacia is a cheap signing that can provide backup to Luke Shaw (We spent more on Amad), he's not going to be an important first team player. Eriksen has proven it in the PL and FDJ was starting for Barca for the last 3-4 years and a midfielder that is good enough for Barca is most certainly good enough for us. You need to take a breather mate.
I saw similar stats being used to defend Lindelof in the air.According to WhoScored, which tracked all 1911 minutes Lisandro played in the Eredivisie, he won 3.3 aerial duels and lost 1.4 per game. For comparison, Timber won 1.5 and lost 1.0. Van Dijk won 3.4 and lost 1.0.
Lisandro too can act as a DM and that's the original point.Yes he is but at least has the attributes of a DM
Has to be a back 3. Suits Tomiyasu and Saliba too. 5 players for 3 spots including Gabriel, then I guess Saka wide right, Tavares or Tierney wide left but not as high up on the field, then 3 in midfield (Partey sitting and I guess Vieira and Odegaard playmaking) and 2 up top in Jesus and either Martinelli or Smith-Rowe. Might work.What's the Arsenal plan here? Back 3? Or White and Martinez as the smallest defense in the league?
Tell me if I am wrong but in a PL match he would not be afforded that much room and time on the ball unlike in the CL environment. Thus the physicality of the PL.
I feel he slots in perfectly in a back 3 or as a DM.
Arteta is dead set on 4231 or 4123. He will be a versatile player who can play LB, and also can cover LCB and DM if necessary. Is he worth 50m in my opinion? Nope.Has to be a back 3. Suits Tomiyasu and Saliba too. 5 players for 3 spots including Gabriel, then I guess Saka wide right, Tavares or Tierney wide left but not as high up on the field, then 3 in midfield (Partey sitting and I guess Vieira and Odegaard playmaking) and 2 up top in Jesus and either Martinelli or Smith-Rowe. Might work.
Pretty sure it’s just Martinez rotating with Tierney at LB and backing up Gabriel at LCB. Still a 4-3-3.Has to be a back 3. Suits Tomiyasu and Saliba too. 5 players for 3 spots including Gabriel, then I guess Saka wide right, Tavares or Tierney wide left but not as high up on the field, then 3 in midfield (Partey sitting and I guess Vieira and Odegaard playmaking) and 2 up top in Jesus and either Martinelli or Smith-Rowe. Might work.
Wouldn't be against that at all, still hoping that we sign an actual DM in the next 2 windowsMy suspicion is that we'd initially play him as a DM (as we still don't have any DMs), and once ETH has implemented a functional system in a season or two Martinez would feature more as a CB.
Or he plays a very forward/advanced CB with a covering Varane behind him? Reducing the need for an actual DM?My suspicion is that we'd initially play him as a DM (as we still don't have any DMs), and once ETH has implemented a functional system in a season or two Martinez would feature more as a CB.
Yeap -- like under the LVG days. But I suspect if ETH is gone, we will get another manager of that elk. That's what the footballing DOF will be thinking -- otherwise, we will be doing the reactionary, pendulum swings like under Woodward.I wonder when the club are going to scout players and have a list of players who are adaptable. Seems we’re carrying on the buy who the manager wants and if it all goes tits up then we have players who aren’t going to work for the next manager on big wages and having spent a fortune on them. FDJ I get it he’s a class player and could easily play for the next boss, Martinez I’m not so sure.
Focusing on transfer targets who are still on the move - that kind of happened too quick but I'll see if I can do one just after season starts.Credit to @Raees, any appetite to do anything on Malacia?
Thanks Ali.
Just seen your comment now! yeah they're mine.@Raees
is the videos really yours? I’ve been watching them lately and they are great. I subscribed some time ago and been talking to you on YouTube as D Cab!
Thanks - its an interesting signing, could go wrong but at that price it is worth the punt. Seems ETH is hell bent on improving United's ability in possession.Nice job mate, was waiting for your assessment.