Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense

Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by Wumminator, May 17, 2014.

  1. May 17, 2014
    #1

    Wumminator The Special One!

    Joined:
    May 8, 2008
    Messages:
    17,514
    Location:
    Obertans #1 fan.
    Well it's the third year of making these threads. Last years was a massive success. Look at how right we all were!


    But still, no-one saw that coming, so I don't blame us at all.

    Here are the players who Liverpool have who need to be registered for next year

    1. Mario Balliotelli
    2. Glen Johnson
    3. Fabio Borini
    4. Kolo Toure
    5. Daniel Agger
    6. Martin Skrtel
    7. Jose Enrique
    8. Lucas
    9. Emre Can
    10. Lazar Markovic
    11. Simon Mignolet
    12. Oussama Assaidi
    13. Sebastian Coates
    14. Steven Gerrard
    15. Adam Lallana
    16. Mamadou Sakho
    17. Coutinho
    18. John Flannagan
    19. Ricky Lambert
    20. Daniel Sturridge
    21. Joe Allen
    22. Jordan Henderson
    23. Brad Jones
    24. Tiago Ilori
    25. Dejan Lovren

    Notable under 21 players include Suso and Raheem Sterling

    The players in bold went out on loan last year
    The players in italics have turned 21 in the last year and thus need to be registered.

    So what do we think then? Despite having what many consider a "small" squad they have around 25 players who would have to be registered. Obviously a lot will leave, but where do we think they'll go from here.

    Few questions....

    1. Do any of last seasons loan players deserve a spot in the updated squad?
    2. Where is their main weakness as a squad?
    3. Do you think there will be any high profile weaknesses?
    4. Who is their most undervalued player who can kick on.. ala Henderson
    5. Will Suarez and Sturrige match last year?
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2014
  2. May 17, 2014
    #2

    Castia Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2011
    Messages:
    10,678
    I doubt anybody not even the LFC fans truly believed they would put up a title challenge this season. That being said they had a great year, played some good football and Rogers is starting to prove me wrong (dont/didn't think much of him as a manager before this season). I think they need 4-5 players to challenge again next season, it's going to be tough for them juggling the Champions League while fighting for a title with such a small squad. If they recruit well in the summer I wouldn't be surprised to see them do well again next season.
  3. May 17, 2014
    #3

    Barney "We're going to smash them (Crystal Palace)"

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2012
    Messages:
    18,469
    Location:
    Champions elect 2015-2016.
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    1. I wouldn't mind keeping one of Ilori and Wisdom and loaning the other. I'd keep Borini unless Sunderland come in with a good offer. I want Suso to stay, but I think he might be sold.

    2. Left back is where we need to improve drastically. Our bench is the other major weakness.

    3. I think Johnson will stay and I think he'll take a lot of criticism again next season.

    4. Sakho or Allen. Both are underrated. People think Sakho is an awful defender and Allen offers very little which isn't true. Both are very good players and I suspect that both will play bigger roles in the squad next year.

    5. I think Sturridge, Sterling and Suarez will fetch 60 goals between them providing injuries go their way.
  4. May 17, 2014
    #4

    Wumminator The Special One!

    Joined:
    May 8, 2008
    Messages:
    17,514
    Location:
    Obertans #1 fan.
    How is Ilori rated in your fan base? Has he gotten a sniff of first team football?
  5. May 17, 2014
    #5

    Cina full member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2007
    Messages:
    50,858
    Oh these are the yearly group of threads where you demean other squads and say they aren't as good as ours, right Twigg?
  6. May 17, 2014
    #6

    Wumminator The Special One!

    Joined:
    May 8, 2008
    Messages:
    17,514
    Location:
    Obertans #1 fan.
    Up until this year. Yes. Now I just weep :(
  7. May 17, 2014
    #7

    Cheech Wizard Liverpool fan

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2013
    Messages:
    4,373
    Location:
    Lé Fylde Coast
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    Was on loan at Granada, did well for them. Played extremely well in the 1-0 win over Barcelona this season. Don't know how he will feature for us next season though.
  8. May 17, 2014
    #8

    Cina full member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2007
    Messages:
    50,858
    Liverpool obviously have the best squad. They've got Gerrard, who as we all know thanks to Barney, is better than Scholes ever was, yep...
  9. May 17, 2014
    #9

    Wumminator The Special One!

    Joined:
    May 8, 2008
    Messages:
    17,514
    Location:
    Obertans #1 fan.
    I watched that game! Completely didn't click he was playing.
  10. May 17, 2014
    #10

    BobbyManc Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2012
    Messages:
    6,572
    Location:
    The Wall
    Supports:
    Man City
    Expect Suarez to be as good as he was last season but still disappoint in the big games, provided he stays that is. Sturridge will struggle to replicate last season. I think Liverpool will finish 4th but am expecting them to do better than expected in the Champions League.
  11. May 17, 2014
    #11

    Barney "We're going to smash them (Crystal Palace)"

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2012
    Messages:
    18,469
    Location:
    Champions elect 2015-2016.
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    He didn't in the 1st half of the season and he's been sent on loan to Granada. He's rated quite highly by the club. The club are learning from the Coates situation it seems.
  12. May 17, 2014
    #12

    Wumminator The Special One!

    Joined:
    May 8, 2008
    Messages:
    17,514
    Location:
    Obertans #1 fan.
    Is that really an outrageous statement from a Liverpool fan? I love Scholes, one of my favourite players of all time. I will be telling my grandkids about the things I've seen him do. Phenomenal.

    But if you were a Liverpool fan you'd probably prefer Gerrard

    A) he's their best player for about 10 years

    B) he's won them trophies with his performances

    c) you wouldn't be that bright to begin with.
  13. May 17, 2014
    #13

    Canuckred64 Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2007
    Messages:
    2,778
    Location:
    Canada
    They did have a really good season but benefited from not having to play in Europe this year. Their squad is too small to handle games in Europe and in the Premier and they need to add 4 or 5 players. It will be interesting to see if they can pry Lovren and Lallana from Southampton who will do everything they can to keep both.

    I think the key is keeping Suarez, even though he is saying all the right things now, I expect if Real are serious about added him to their team he will go. I would be surprised if Liverpool finish in the top 4 next year, more likely battling Spurs and maybe Everton for 5th.
  14. May 17, 2014
    #14

    KingMinger22 City >>> United. Moaning twat

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2005
    Messages:
    7,245
    Location:
    Chicago
    Will not challenge next year. I think they will drop out of the top 4 also.
  15. May 18, 2014
    #15

    SharkyMcShark Horrified

    Joined:
    May 17, 2007
    Messages:
    20,832
    Location:
    Using location as a tagline: because I'm just not
    1. Reina is off, probably Brad Jones too. It wouldn't surprise me if they got shot of Jose Enrique and Iago Aspas. Suso will need registering next year.
    2. Defence and keeper.
    3. They need 1/2 new central defenders.
    4. Flanagan.
    5. Probably no.
  16. May 18, 2014
    #16

    George Owen LEAVE THE SFW THREAD ALONE!!1!

    Joined:
    May 7, 2010
    Messages:
    10,368
    Location:
    Gold Coast, Australia
    http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/307061.html
  17. May 18, 2014
    #17

    Wumminator The Special One!

    Joined:
    May 8, 2008
    Messages:
    17,514
    Location:
    Obertans #1 fan.

    Are you sure Suso needs to be registered?
  18. May 18, 2014
    #18

    vanthaman Winner

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2003
    Messages:
    26,062
    Location:
    Sussex
    He was 20 on January 1st so won't need to be registered
  19. May 18, 2014
    #19

    PickledRed Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    4,913
    Why? Of the top 7 only City are currently in a better position in terms of squad health or not having to engage in a rebuild.
  20. May 18, 2014
    #20

    Browniee New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2011
    Messages:
    11,045
    CL football will tear them apart, they only have 14 players.
    We will knock them out if top 4, I hope
  21. May 18, 2014
    #21

    PickledRed Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    4,913
    It's what kills you.
  22. May 18, 2014
    #22

    Wumminator The Special One!

    Joined:
    May 8, 2008
    Messages:
    17,514
    Location:
    Obertans #1 fan.
    Well it's true. To be able to to compete in the CL and the Prem you effectively need two 11s pretty much. Liverpool have the weakest squad depth of anyone in the Prem challengers.
  23. May 18, 2014
    #23

    iBoss i-ttack the space

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2012
    Messages:
    9,039
    Location:
    Illuminati headquarters, chillin' with Jay Z.
    Defence aint good enough, bench aint good enough. Extra games in Europe to contend with. Your record in the Europa League and then the games in the league straight after that aren't very good under Rodgers. You didn't go that far in the domestic cups this season just gone either. Questionable transfer record under Rodgers as well.
  24. May 18, 2014
    #24

    PickledRed Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    4,913
    Or.........Liverpool will strengthen a team that has the basis of an excellent side? Just a thought.
  25. May 18, 2014
    #25

    PickledRed Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    4,913
    To win both maybe, but to do ok in the CL and challenge for the league two 11s aren't required. Liverpool are strengthening. CL football gives Rodgers a new basis to buy top end players.

    Anyway, I'm missing all these PL challengers who are competing on two fronts in any meaningful way. Didn't happen this past season. It was either or.
  26. May 18, 2014
    #26

    Rooney in Paris Gerrard shirt..Anfield? You'll Never Live it Down Scout

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2010
    Messages:
    29,394
    Location:
    In an elephant sanctuary
    It's an outrageous statement for anyone who follows football, yeah.
  27. May 18, 2014
    #27

    PickledRed Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    4,913
    According to most on here Liverpool have been about to collapse since last September. Fact is, since Jan 2013 I don't think any club has won more points. That's 18 months of consistency which won't just disappear no matter how many times it's declared as fact by rival fans.

    Like I said all season, wishful thinking doesn't mean it's happening. This doomsday scenario never came to pass.
  28. May 18, 2014
    #28

    Mali_Zeus New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2012
    Messages:
    16,987
    Location:
    Zagreb, Hrvatska
    neither you nor we who claim you wont be that good next season dont know what will happen.
    All the things you wrote are really nice with the small fact you'll play CL next season and you cant be sure how will you cope with that.
    You'l strengthen that's sure but that's not a guarantee you'll have such a good season like this one.
  29. May 18, 2014
    #29

    AltiUn likes playing with swords after fantasies

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2014
    Messages:
    10,919
    Location:
    Leyland
    I'm not underestimating them again. Top 3 finish, comfortably and they'll massively improve their defence. Not sure whether Sturridge can do as well but Suarez is Suarez so you can guarantee him getting 25+ league goals. I think they've got a good chance of winning it unless us, City and Chelsea really pull our finger out and strengthen well.
  30. May 18, 2014
    #30

    Glanville95 Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2013
    Messages:
    6,566
    Location:
    Bournemouth
    1: Despite not seeing anything of him thus far, Ilori by all accounts, has impressed on loan at Granada and given their struggles in defence this season I could see him being recalled and given an opportunity in the first team squad next season, certainly just to boost their numbers if anything. Likewise, Wisdom would possibly be in the same boat, given they have Johnson (poor season), Kelly (hasn't rediscovered his form after injuries) and Flanagan who's converted to LB. Wisdom does seem the type of player to fade into obscurity however. Reina will obviously leave and Assaidi doesn't seem capable of adding much to their squad. Borini might get a chance after impressing at Sunderland and he's a massive improvement on Aspas. I'll hazard a guess and say just Ilori and Borini will be recalled, although Suso looks a very bright prospect also, but I don't know what his situation is.

    2: Somewhere in defence. I'm inclined to say fullback as a lot of their bad defending and goals conceded is a result of incessant, attacking football and committing men forward. Plus they have a recently converted deep-lying playmaker who has never/rarely played as the deepest midfielder before this season in Steven Gerrard. Not exactly superb protection for the back four. On paper some of their centre backs are good players - albeit with obvious flaws - at fullback however, all of their choices are pretty uninspiring. I'd say fullback positions and squad depth.

    3: It is always expected that not every player will maintain the standard they've met the following season coming into the new season, that's for any side, as you can't legislate for loss in form, injuries, consistent gametime, etc. For Liverpool, I think Gerrard's performances will decline from how he performed last season. I'm not suggesting he will be a 'high profile weakness', but I don't think he will perform to the level a player of the year nomination does like he did last season. He'll be found wanting in Europe, particularly as the deepest midfielder and although they have Henderson's energy and might also lesson the defensive burden on Gerrard with another midfielder acquisition, I think the extended gametime and obligation to adapt his style will effect his performances to some degree next seson.

    4: Coutinho's had a bit of an indifferent season with his 'shoot on site' policy. I expect him to come to the fore next season and hold down a first team position for prolonged periods of time, instead of not getting too much of a run which happened at times this season just gone. Seeing as he's a very technical, flair player you'd also expect him to be one of their key performers in the Champions League also.

    5: Whether Suarez will still be their next season is another question, even though the likely answer is yes, considering it's a world cup year, Liverpool are participating in the Champions League next season and there wouldn't be a lot of time to conclude a world record deal on behalf of Madrid and Barcelona when Suarez's primary focus will be on the world cup. I think he will stay, but nonetheless, Liverpool won't benefit from the continuity and rhythm they had last year. Suarez is likely to still play every match, injuries and bans permitting, but Sturridge will often find himself on the bench for league games in anticipation of Champions League games and vice versa. In terms of Premier League games, I don't think they will match the same numbers as last year, but both could definitely improve on the goal-scoring tallies across all competitions.
  31. May 18, 2014
    #31

    Eric'sCollar Asked for his wife's permission before signing up

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2013
    Messages:
    8,720
    Location:
    Sydney
    Next season for Liverpool comes down to one thing for me, can they keep Suarez.

    He just gives every player around them a lift on top of his ability. He won't have a season like he just has but he can still lead them to a solid season. If Madrid come calling though, it could seriously dent their hopes.
  32. May 18, 2014
    #32

    Kentonio Full Member Scout

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2013
    Messages:
    10,155
    Location:
    Stamford Bridge
    Liverpool are desperately over reliant on Suarez. Will not make top 3 next year, and I suspect will drop out of top 4.
  33. May 18, 2014
    #33

    Kraftwerker Formerly RedAddict

    Joined:
    May 30, 2008
    Messages:
    13,871
    Location:
    We can't stop here. This is bat country.
    Yes it did. Hilariously.

    You were odds on favourites for the league, everything was falling in your favour, then you collapsed at the death.

    The way you're talking, you'd think you'd seen out the league comfortably.
  34. May 18, 2014
    #34

    PickledRed Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    4,913
    We saw out top 4 comfortably which was in contrast to the many predictions on here in the autumn.
  35. May 18, 2014
    #35

    ThanksBoss26 Full Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2013
    Messages:
    5,014
    Location:
    Manchester
    At the moment, I think they'll be challenging for top 4. The demands of Champions League football alongside the Premier League might prevent any more than that in my opinion. It's already been said, but no European Football helped them massively this season, as it should do ourselves next season, in that the best team can be fielded more often that not in the Premier League.
  36. May 18, 2014
    #36

    Kraftwerker Formerly RedAddict

    Joined:
    May 30, 2008
    Messages:
    13,871
    Location:
    We can't stop here. This is bat country.
    Broken clocks etc.

    And any credit we give Liverpool fans for finally correctly predicting something is completely negated by the premature 'we're gonna win the league' bollocks.

    RedCafe got it wrong on Liverpool for once. Not usually the case.
  37. May 18, 2014
    #37

    PickledRed Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    4,913
    Fair point, but isn't the "they'll drop off next year" refrain that's coming out of here from all angles sound a bit hollow?

    Based on how Chelsea, a United, Spurs finished last season (2 without a manager) I'd say Liverpool are looking healthy.
  38. May 18, 2014
    #38

    Rooney in Paris Gerrard shirt..Anfield? You'll Never Live it Down Scout

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2010
    Messages:
    29,394
    Location:
    In an elephant sanctuary
    Skysports are reporting that them and Arsenal are chasing Bony.
  39. May 18, 2014
    #39

    Barney "We're going to smash them (Crystal Palace)"

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2012
    Messages:
    18,469
    Location:
    Champions elect 2015-2016.
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    I hope not.
  40. May 18, 2014
    #40

    Browniee New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2011
    Messages:
    11,045
    I agree. Hope is a must in football