Oh touchy are we, ''stupid accusations'' feck sake get a grip will you mate.
I'm not reading a load of shite to find your explanation, if you can't be bothered neither am i. I'm not editing anything.
Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense
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I'm not reading a load of shite to find your explanation, if you can't be bothered neither am i. I'm not editing anything.
I'd be satisfied if we get Moutinho and Martinez. They know each other from their time together at Porto and both will only be 29 next season - younger than say Rooney for example. I'd rather have a duo like Pjanic-Icardi or Nainggolan-Vietto though, but it's more unlikely as well.
No mate loose change for my club, but obviously your great ambition!Money - covered above. FSG wanted youngsters and paid for them, I don't think they can throw that back on BR when they have this bollocks Transfer Committee involved. They are also savvy people - they know that losing as many mature players as they will this Summer will mean investment. You seem to think that spending £80-100m is a large figure, whereas with the sponsorship and PL returns (to say nothing of CL/EL this season at least) from this year on I'd think that will soon be the norm, if it isn't already for a team in the Top 4 or with Top 4 aspirations.
Quality of football - we went through a bad patch, pretty much as United did at the start, however it was turned around and if you had bothered to watch the youngsters in our team then you wouldn't be going on about mediocrity. Fact is that if you look at those leaving, or likely to leave, the club this Summer then those are the players that have been slated as 'unworthy' or 'over-the-hill' or the 'Dead-weights' as you call them. We played some lovely football as well as some shite ... there was a time when most on RedCafe were convinced we were going to finish in the Top 4 so you need to add some counter-balance to your argument.
As for fighting for a Top 4 slot that you seem to think our young team incapable of .. they ran your Allstars mighty close this season. It is very naive of you, though most likely just spite, not to think they haven't benefited from this season and will be better for it. A blend of maturity and youth is what I'll be looking for after this Summer.
Rest of your post was your usual 'Liverpool Hammer" so it's been deleted from my response
A middle sized club with inflated ambitions. Blame the committee - might as well blame the Union for lost causes - its no longer the 80s mate, time to get real.
Hard questions responded to with drivel, the stuff of la-la land.
Sterling is odds on to stay? Even after that interview?
Has something changed in the last few weeks, because I'm sure the general consensus was that he was off.
Has something changed in the last few weeks, because I'm sure the general consensus was that he was off.
Rodgers said that Sterling wouldn't be leaving even if he refuses to sign a new contract.
Ah I thought you were referring to 100k as peanuts - since he's had that on the table for months now. Pay us £40-50m and he's yours. Sturridge is a crock .. but he's a better player than Sterling and was banging them in for fun before his injuries. Unfortunately we can't just then reduce his salary because he's seeing more of the physiotherapist than the pitch .. more's the pity.
The experience and maturity of Moutinho and Martinez are exactly what we need with losing so many senior players this Summer. Done. Milner is definitely a step up, in fact Milner would almost certainly be a 1st team starter more often than not ... criminally underrated player. Ings as a backup striker (behind Sturridge + 1) with Origi would make me pretty happy.
Nah...it's just good old dislike from my side. Nothing better than chuckling about the misfortune of a dirty player.
Fischer's only just returned from a bad injury as well, so I'd probably wait and see what happens with him in the first half of next season when he's hopefully back to full strength.
Isn't Origi slated to join them Summer. What are the Liverpool fans thoughts on him
You question other people when they have a go at estimating Liverpool's budget this season and then you come out with all of this
Plus you also made up some of Gerrard's personal achievements where according to you he won young player of the year before he even made his debut!
Chelski did the same for Bobby Charlton back in 1973, they have to be applauded for their respect towards players. Bobby highlighted the difference between a true pro and Slippy, by congratulating the Chelski fans.
I have never had any respect for Slippy, never rated him like Lampard or Scholes. For me he was always on the edge and IMO didn't move to Chelski because he might not survive in a bigger club. A hometown boy with blinkered ideas, and an old style thug in his lashing out during his last game against us. Frankly, I think the Scouses will do better without him.
Wow, what a prodigy!
There seems to be alot of Liverpool supporters assuming they will get Milner, and Ings on a free this summer thus saving them a few quid for other players they need, I wouldn't be so sure myself,
I still think City could offer Milner a deal he can't refuse, he is good, English, and a model professional, surely they will see there aren't too any players like that around,.
Ings there is more of a chance I guess but he could easily choose to go elsewhere.
There is also an assumption they will offload Balloteli just like that for £8 million + , who will pay that for him on the wages he will be on? I see a loan where they will have to pay part of his wages at best.
I still think City could offer Milner a deal he can't refuse, he is good, English, and a model professional, surely they will see there aren't too any players like that around,.
Ings there is more of a chance I guess but he could easily choose to go elsewhere.
There is also an assumption they will offload Balloteli just like that for £8 million + , who will pay that for him on the wages he will be on? I see a loan where they will have to pay part of his wages at best.
Christ - can you even fecking read ! I said I just copy/pasted that list, do you think I went through years of history on multiple sites to come up with it ? Use that thing between your ears.
Budget - do you know what we have ? No. Neither do I but at least I gave a list of reasons as to why I think our budget is around that figure - you give a pathetic one-liner. Jog on.
I've watched a few matches when he's played for Lille (he's not an automatic starter(, including the last one where he scored a very nice goal vs. Lens (derby match). He's very fast, good technique, probably off-loads it more than he should, but that's no doubt down to his age and deference to his seniors, very tidy feet, he is very strong on the ball (looks to be quite a big lad) and doesn't get bullied - should come in handy in the PL ! Very cool finisher, I've seen a few of his goals in that mode. He looks like a very good player in the making though there is no way he'll start for us, expect to see him coming on for the last 20-30 mins when the new season gets underway.
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Sadly I agree with this. I think they'll be liberated from the huge bubble that surrounds him at that club.
He's average and has had a very underwhelming season. No idea what Rafateria is going on about.
Ings is sucha Liverpoolesque signing, I am sure he will go there. Thought to be decent before joining only to turn out shit.
It looks like three strikers will be sold, with 2 players of similar although relatively unproven ability, and Milner you imagine will replace Gerrard if he signs. So arguably that's the overall squad improved without a relatively meaningful transfer outlay. Which is all right for a start, I suppose, but then again this is the type of shit that Liverpool seem to have been at for a while, and it hasn't particularly gotten them anywhere.
Well, back above Spurs I suppose.
Well, back above Spurs I suppose.
Carragher is so bitter
Don't mind the little de Gea quip, but did he seriously just say we were fortunate as always? I like him as a pundit, but that seems very unprofessional if that's the case.
Indeed, that injury was a sad story because he looked like a real prospect before that. I really hope he comes back strong because I really like him. He's always one of my first buys in FIFA career mode
Like Rooney in Dublin said, he's had a very underwhelming season although I do think the expectations for him were too high after his World Cup. He had a poor goal scoring record in Ligue 1 and his main objective should've been to improve that but he has failed to do so, in fact he's been nothing more than a sub for half the season. He's looked nonchalant in a lot of games (no tracking back, missing penalties and too careless in possession), has even been booed by his own fans who accused him of not giving his all for Lille, saying that his head was already in Liverpool. The potential is still there though, I think the main issue with him is that he's mostly played as a left winger under Girard whilst Origi himself wants to play in the middle. He needs to focus himself on one position and try to improve on that, be it as a winger or a pure striker, otherwise he might end up as someone who can be played all across the front three but doesn't have a position where he excels in. He's still young so it's not too late, I'd love to see him pair up with another striker behind a diamond at Liverpool.
So, he hasn't played well at all this season but of course he might still come good. He won't be a starter for us but it's nice to have someone like him on the bench. It'll be interesting to see how he develops under Rodgers (if he's still here next season), the burning pace and technique are obviously there but he has some aspects of his game which need to improve drastically if he wants to cut it in the Premier League.
Isn't he on a free though? I wouldn't mind him having here if he's free (and probably on low wages given he's at Burnley right now). He'd be a third choice striker at best and still better than the absolute dross that is Rickie Lambert and Mario Balotelli.
Ings, Origi, Sturridge I think will be their strike force next season. Borini will probably still be hanging about.
Where's Balotellis likely destination?
Where's Balotellis likely destination?
That means one of Ings or Origi will be our first choice striker to start the season, I'd be livid if that's the case. If now they don't see we need to bring in a first choice striker, they never will.
I hope a club like Genoa or Sampdoria will take a gamble on Balotelli.
Yeah, like Robin said, that's not good enough.
Put £100 on Ings being in the exact same position Borini and Lambert find themselves in now. Just like Aspas, Voronin and the rest before them.
It's about time we stopped using our crap as benchmarks. "Oh this player might be shit but at least he's cheap and better than x".
I've seen him linked with Sampdoria, but Mario still holds some reputation in football, he would still want Champions League football and I don't there's many CL qualified teams who would take him. But I do think he will go back to Italy.
I'm wondering who will be available though. Seen links to Aubaymeng earlier, I thought he was more of a winger though.
Would you take Benteke if you could get him? Him plus the other three would look like a pretty decent group IMO.
I think he will be loaned out again. Rodgers usual does this after he has signed a dude. Just like Ilori.
He was already 'loaned' to Lille this season, after having been bought. Not sure the player would appreciate being loaned out again.
But its a bit more complicated than that Bob. If Origi or Ings is our main striker while Studge is out then I would be livid. So I'm laying my hopes on us getting one key striker to cover for Sturridge's injuries and then Ings/Origi for backup. What you say about Voronin, Aspas, etc, is true but you can't flip the other way and say we should sign Benteke, Benzema and Lacazette to sit on our bench.
So we come back to Ings, is there any other striker in the word between 5-12 million that has a better current record? We can't pay any more for a non starting striker as all our cash has to go on the main striker.
Is Ings not out of contract?
He is but I'm sure compensation has to be paid because he's under 23 or something? Not more than £5m though I think.
He wouldn't but he won't be loaned out again, pretty sure of that.
Hmm, I guess I would yeah. He has some pro's: still quite young, strong lad and relatively fast. Why I want him at Liverpool: he keeps the ball very well so excellent hold up play (miles better than say Lukaku), he's PL proven and he knows how to put the ball in the back of the net. Contra's: will he cut it at a big club? Not too sure about that but we'll never know if someone doesn't take the gamble on him, plus he's useless if he's out of confidence. Sherwood has worked wonders with him but you could clearly see how he struggled under Lambert. Different team and different approach to the game, I know, but still.. I'd have Benteke and would be satisfied with him as first choice striker but not for more than around £25m. Don't really know if that's possible. The advantages he has on Jackson Martinez is that he's a lot younger and knows the league. I could easily see Martinez struggle in his first season here and we've got no time for that, especially with a striker who approaches his thirties.
Liverpool fans are always saying that after they've signed a fairly average player, It was the same with Aspas, Markovic, Lambert etc. If they are not good enough to play in a club like Liverpool it doesn't matter if they're a sub or not. At the end of the day they will have to come on/start a game and with Origi it will be the same as we see with Lambert for example.
Rodgers should just stop signing these sort of players and go for actual quality.
What else would you have me say? I don't make those signings, it's just reality - he isn't good enough to be a starter for us (sadly enough). And you're right, I'd rather we go for quality as well but you see how that worked out last season: Alexis choosing Arsenal over us.
And so it goes on with you guys.
The real problem with your squad lies in defence and midfield. Once Slippy has gone, you need to build around your two most impressive players - Henderson and Coutinho. There needs to be a rethink about how your defence works and a stronger link up with defending midfield. When that system breaks down you team looks all over the place. Your last game in Europe, Besiktas?, was horrible to watch and that kind of performance has plagued you all season - home and away. I wouldn't focus so much on Balotelli, but rather the likes of Moreno, Can and Johnson. Moreno because he's too often caught out, Can because deep inside he's not a bad player, and off loading Johnson. Mostly I would put last season's expenditures under the microscope and think about a better transfer policy.
Ings was good in the first few months of the season, but hasn't scored in ages. He's the kind of player who will look good in a team playing well, but won't drag you out of a hole when things are going against you. I think Liverpool need some leaders in the summer. There's too many shrinking violets in that squad. Gerrard will be a huge loss in that respect.
That's probably because I watch him. Oh no wait .. your mate who lives in Bordeaux and who's word is gospel said he's shite right ?
You obviously haven't watched him if you stand by your exposé of him posted above.That's probably because I watch him. Oh no wait .. your mate who lives in Bordeaux and who's word is gospel said he's shite right ?
My friend doesn't live in Bordeaux, he's just a Girondins fan and has therefore seen a lot of Ilori (well, all of his games this season anyway).
What do you want me to say? You come across as someone who's read their wiki profile written by their mothers of their fans and stick to the strengths listed on there rather than actually watching them and challenging your preconceived ideas.
But to be perfectly honest, I'm fine with you believing that Ilori and Origi are strong reinforcements for Liverpool, I won't be the disappointed one.