Stats : I'll refer you back to my comprehensive 'Goals' posts on p54 and the follow-up on p56
Who is doing that? Buying three stronger players from a decent team doesn't mean you become that team. You're just creaming the squad. Like United have with Shaw, or is he mid-table standard?
But you have?
I mentioned, "Of the times I have seen him" in each of my posts. While you seem to be dealing in absolutes and posting youtube vids and opinions of Saints fans to back up what you are saying.
You claimed he didn't take on players and had never seen him do so, all I did was post proof that he has done. Fair game really.
I can't read through all that!Stats : I'll refer you back to my comprehensive 'Goals' posts on p54 and the follow-up on p56
Improvement doesn't just come from the starting 11 because in today's game it's likely 13-14 will play in each match. We've improved in defence, in midfield and Aspas was the best we could manage as a substitute last season, which probably tells you all you need to know
That post is a bit ridiculous, comparing RvP/Rooney/Mata to Lambert/Lallana & the other one. Try swapping Brenda for Moyes for a season & see where it gets you.
Nail-on-head. It seems amongst all of these declarations of Liverpool's impending demise few are prepared to acknowledge the impact of a strong manager despite every United fan now claiming the good times are back due to a change of manager.
Mate. You really need to give this one up. Back there in post #2289 you said "from what little I have seen of him", now I can't speak for anyone else on here but personally I have seen quite a bit of him. Not a lot else for me to do when the footies on (since that's usually in the late evenings or early mornings here !), having lived in Shanghai for the past 17 yrs, but being a subscriber to Star Sports (Asia's version of Sky - same ownership) I get every single PL match live, so I've seen a lot of Southampton and yes, because they were a damn good team to watch last season, more especially so because they had a similar style to ours, I watched them a lot. Personally I thought Lallana was very under-rated last season (that's mainly going from fans' comments on LFC fan sites / RedCafe and when he was chosen for England) but I guess that's because not many fans see anything more than MotD and their own clubs' games. He really is a very high quality player.
It's not really ridiculous, you and others have pointed out several times the Liverpool buying 'mid table' players comment.
Shaw is 18 and went for a record fee for a teenager for having the potential of being one of the best LB's in the game in a few years. The players you bought are already in their prime and unlikely to get better. Big difference.
Sorry mate but I'm not going to re-write it all again just to answer your questions since it's all back there in Black & White (and no I haven't forgotten Suarez - that's also included back there) !
You've lost me again I'm afraid. Moyes turned a Championship winning side into a mid table side.
Yeah I am sure you have every right to opine on things you feel are correct. I think we can leave it at that. I feel he is a good player who will thrive in Rodger's system but he is not a talisman or some player who will draw players towards him and free up space for other attackers.
You can't just blame it on Moyes. Many on this thread have said United have 4 world class players - surely it's not just the fault of the manager?
Markovic is only 20 with a lot of potential to get better, Can is the same ago too, Lallana is hardly old either.
Yes, exactly what we have been saying.
I was mainly referring to the players you bought from Southampton. None of them are going to improve much, if at all. They're proper mid table signing's.
My point is that there's very few on here acknowledging the significant impact Rodgers had on last season's form. It's Suarez, Suarez and more Suarez. Whereas according to the majority on here the world class players at United couldn't operate under a poor manager and will do much better for LvG.
Lovren looks like what we need at the back. Lallana is now an international having scored more than most AMs last season and Lambert is the epitome of Plan B squad player - low risk buy.
I'm not dissing your signings from Southampton by the way, I think they all have something good to offer you. I just don't think that Shaw is comparable to them when talking about signing mid table players from mid table clubs.
In their prime and unlikely to get better ? You were saying ?
Depends on which way you look at it, Lovren is an excellent centre half, one of the best in the league last season. An established player.
I was talking about the Southampton signings, hence the comparison with Shaw.
Fair enough. I think we will have to wait and watch. Being a big fish in a small pond is easier than being just another fish in a big lake. But as you said, maybe he will step up.
That's the 'ol red-tinted specs mate. He has just had his 'break-out season (don't you just hate Americanisms) and (from the data I can find) has not scored a goal for Southampton and has only ever had one assist as well, in his top level career, he still has a lot to prove and it could go either way. He will need careful use and kid gloves (excuse the pun) to reach his full potential so don't expect him to be playing in every game next season.
Bigger stadium, bigger turnover and bigger wage capacity.
If you're talking about cache and currency then go ahead, but such things don't speak of a club's size in the truer sense.
When Arsenals best player wants to join Liverpool you will have a point. But it was only last summer that your best player was desperate to join Arsenal.
Oh well. Took you to water but can't make you drink.
18 months paired next to a player that creates havoc, he wasn't exactly pulling up trees at Chelsea. Showed his genuine quality at the World Cup for me but don't get me wrong I think he's a good striker, trouble is, if your going to be pushing those very top spots you need a great goal scorer not a good one, see Chelsea/Arsenal last season. You can point to RVP season before last under Ferguson for more evidence.
You are living in the past. Liverpool haven't been a bigger club than Arsenal since 1990.
Disagree.
Of which Welbeck is neither.
Aye. I think expecting 20 league goals is too much (though I wouldn't be shocked either) but the good thing is his game isn't all about goals. If he could add regular goals to his game this season it would be another huge step forward.
Yep this season may come to soon to get around 20 but as you said it wouldn't be the biggest surprise if you go about games the same as you did last season. The thing you lot have to worry about Sterling though is that he is a Londoner at heart and he might be tempted by Chelsea or Arsenal if they where ever to show an interest.
Epic bantz that.
