Which basically is what Saruman is all about. Even more so in the book where he literally industrialises the Shire.
Film Lord of the Rings vs Star Wars (Originals)
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That is the actual ending in the book to be fair. Frodo and the hobbits return to find that Saruman (who is still alive) has demolished the shire and enslaved all the hobbits.
Book reader, Get the feck out
I love the extended edition but I still think LOTR could have been more faithful to the books.
Shit you're right!
So the films are nothing but empty anti Saruman propaganda ? Although he still loses again.
Why did they leave this rather important bit out of the films ?
Jackson doesn't have the writing/directing skill to pull it off. I do think it was ultimately the right decision but I do hate the last 30mins of Return of the King, the pacing and fade to blacks piss me off no end.Shit you're right!
So the films are nothing but empty anti Saruman propaganda ? Although he still loses again.
Why did they leave this rather important bit out of the films ?
feck me ivaldo, it’s already my favorite film but this just gave me goosebumps. I know what I’m doing tomorrow.
Not really, including things like Tom Bombadil would be quite silly.
I think they didn’t treat Gondor quite fairly though, while Rohan was deified. Faramir trying to take the ring was quite jarring, and Denethor in the book is tenfold more dignified and sympathetic.
Star Wars >>> Fellowship
Empire Strikes Back > Two Towers
Return of the Jedi < Return of the King
Empire Strikes Back > Two Towers
Return of the Jedi < Return of the King
Cheers.
Episode 8 did clmsy and horribly integrated social commentary with a scene about war profteering and animal/child abuse (?), but the extradorindary thing is the world of Star Wars does not change one bit economically in the 10(out of 11) movies I've seen, and even in a game set 3000 years before the movies, it's all the same- the technology, the relations between races, the slavery, etc.
Nothing changes for 3000 years, you say!
End of history reference, for you uneducated slobs.
Haha cheers. I'm already planning to do the same!
Anytime I see comparisons like this I'm always disappointed that a He-Man franchise was never developed. I always felt that there was so much there but no one went for it. Sadly it's time has passed.
I love Tom Bombadil though. Arwen against the wraiths was not good, pippin somehow tricking tree beard was absurd, merry lighting the beacons was terrible. Witchkings death was ok but could have been rousing, legolas jumping and skating on anything that moves was grating and scouring the shire should have been included
LOTR is definitely a lot better cinematically, but you would expect that given the budget, the time spent and the era. It's also a lot easier to make a great movie trilogy when someone has done all the legwork and written an absolute classic series of books.
Star Wars in that context, the era, the pioneering approach to movie making, the fact that the director also came up with the story, the smaller budget, the lack of technology available, etc. etc. All that makes Star Wars better for me.
Comparing Tolkien to Lucas, Tolkien wins. Comparing Jackson to Lucas, Jackson wins. Comparing LOTR trilogy of movies to Star Wars trilogy of movies cinematically, LOTR wins.
When it comes to ground breaking approach to cinema and storytelling with a camera, Star Wars wins all day. LOTR as a cinematic venture wouldn't have happened had it not been for the pioneering approach of Lucas. The fact that the story is full of plot holes and some of the characters are half baked just shows the brilliance of the movies. The greatest villain in cinema history. All from one persons head. Star Wars wins.
Star Wars in that context, the era, the pioneering approach to movie making, the fact that the director also came up with the story, the smaller budget, the lack of technology available, etc. etc. All that makes Star Wars better for me.
Comparing Tolkien to Lucas, Tolkien wins. Comparing Jackson to Lucas, Jackson wins. Comparing LOTR trilogy of movies to Star Wars trilogy of movies cinematically, LOTR wins.
When it comes to ground breaking approach to cinema and storytelling with a camera, Star Wars wins all day. LOTR as a cinematic venture wouldn't have happened had it not been for the pioneering approach of Lucas. The fact that the story is full of plot holes and some of the characters are half baked just shows the brilliance of the movies. The greatest villain in cinema history. All from one persons head. Star Wars wins.
You mean to say that LOTR actually ends? feck me ragged!
When you can tell me why Gandalf didn't summon the eagles to travel to Mordor, we will talk more
If I could change one thing about these films it'd be, even above Denethor not being a ridiculous ham and fixing the ridiculous Ent moot reversal, it'd be a single line in the film to stop everyone asking this question.When you can tell me why Gandalf didn't summon the eagles to travel to Mordor, we will talk more
In short, despite the virtual impossibility of landing fecking massive eagles in the middle of enemy territory as a vast army stands watching even if you weren't shot out of the sky or intercepted by the Nazgul in the air, the Eagles don't work for Gandalf not can he summon them.
You know, I think it might be.
I've even kept the pissiness down to a minimum, which is odd for me.The isolation is betting to me. The wife caught me dressing up the tomatoes and using the kids stickers to give them elaborate expressions earlier...
Has a porno been made called LOTR?
Tom Bombadil is brilliant but I agree with Jackson here, it just didn't progress the story enough for the screen time it would've taken to properly flesh out. The same goes for the scouring of the Shire. There was so much to tie up that starting a new, mini adventure at the end of the film would've been too much. Both work excellently in the books they just wouldn't translate well. I also liked Arwens scene with the wraiths. It brought in a little lore that casual viewers would've otherwise been aware of.
Google directs me to Lady of the Rings. Might help pass the time.
Would love to read your review. I hope she defeats the orcs.
You know, I think it might be.
The isolation is betting to me. The wife caught me dressing up the tomatoes and using the kids stickers to give them elaborate expressions earlier...
Tis great. Love the passion. Had to do a double take half way through the read!
I was just making a Christmas reference/joke, you dork. I know lockdown is making people act weird lately but maybe try lightening up a little bit and having some fun ?
I've never watched the older Star Wars films, the new ones were decent action films but didn''t think they were particularly great.
I did really enjoy the LOTR films until the ghost people or whatever they were called just saved the day. Was a huge cop-out and ruined the entire story for me.
I did really enjoy the LOTR films until the ghost people or whatever they were called just saved the day. Was a huge cop-out and ruined the entire story for me.
I think the rationale regarding the omission of the Scouring of the Shire sort of makes sense (although I really do think they could've pulled it off) the removal of that sequence is the main factor leading to the multiple ending fatigue.
Well if it makes you feel any better, you did a terrific job! So someone saying it is 'pretty odd' gets you this upset? You might want to take your own advice drama queen.
Thanks for confirming your cuntinessitude
Well if it makes you feel any better, you did a terrific job! So someone saying it is 'pretty odd' gets you this upset? You might want to take your own advice drama queen.
Switch "Harry Potter" with "Star Wars":
@Grinner Clearly this guy hasn't watched Lady of the Rings...
Best of both worlds.
Great watch!
I love the Star Wars original trilogy and I respect and understand these complaints. But I will forever defend that The Empire Strikes Back is a true cinematic masterpiece.
I think it's possible for a movie to be a cinematic masterpiece while still having some flaws. And for what it's worth: The Empire Strikes back is the best written in the trilogy by far.
Agree. The quality and relative maturity of its writing is mainly due to Irvin Kershner as director and Lawrence Kasdan as screenwriter
I geeked the f out with Ian mckellens intro.