Ok, but the club isn't being offered a straight choice. United has Anderson, and has invested lots of time and money into him. Modric is being suggested as a pipe-dream transfer from Madrid less than a season after they bought him.As things stand if offered Modric or Anderson I know who I'd take. And I suspect the vast majority of fans of other top clubs would say the same.
Hmm, dunno about this. But I won't offer an alternative opinion cos that's just too mainstream.Don't get me wrong, I'd welcome him here and he's a very good footballer, I'm just not convinced that in the long run he'd be better than either Ando or Cleverley once they hit their peaks.
Missed the point. Woooosh!Anderson should start by actually stringing together more than a few games on the spin. Then maybe he might come somewhere near fulfilling his potential.
As things stand if offered Modric or Anderson I know who I'd take. And I suspect the vast majority of fans of other top clubs would say the same.
I think it was 09/10 when Spurs had back-to-back aways v you and Chelsea and Modric shone in both despite being outnumbered.A few against us and that was when we had Fabregas and co in midfield. I recall one in 2011 where it finished 0-0 against your lot and he had a great game that day. Like Steven Seagull (a very interesting username!) mentions a superb performance against a formidable Spanish midfield (they had Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Silva & Alonso playing for them)
Really.Missed the point. Woooosh!
Indeed - and I hope he makes the grade. But how long do they wait?Ok, but the club isn't being offered a straight choice. United has Anderson, and has invested lots of time and money into him. Modric is being suggested as a pipe-dream transfer from Madrid less than a season after they bought him.
As things stand if offered a choice between trying to buy Modric or not trying to buy Modric, I know what I'd do.
So you think Fletcher, Anderson and Cleverley are better football players than Luka Modric then?Manchester United FC, as they've shown (in Fletcher's case particularly) countless times. Well, before his illness that was...
Prices are irrelevant now days. Henderson went for 20m and I know which player I would rather have out of Cleverley and Henderson.So you think Fletcher, Anderson and Cleverley are better football players than Luka Modric then?
Do you see Real Madrid, City and Chelsea wanting those three for £30m+?
Are you honestly comparing Modric with two youngsters and someone who is essentially semi-retired? If you're trying to say that Modric would get into our squad and would get games, then yes of course you're correct. But he isn't the kind of player I'd say we should shell out millions for, given that he has reached his peak... Which looks impressive at a club like Spurs, not so much at a club like United/Madrid.So you think Fletcher, Anderson and Cleverley are better football players than Luka Modric then?
Do you see Real Madrid, City and Chelsea wanting those three for £30m+?
You did.I don't think I missed the point.
Yes because you were the one being ridiculous and saying Spurs is his level when clearly he's better than all our central midfielders (imo including Carrick but either way he's better than Anderson, Cleverley, Scholes, Fletcher and Giggs). In which case if Spurs is Modric's 'level' then clearly all our midfielders aren't at 'Manchester United's level' because they're worse than Modric, which clearly isn't true.Are you honestly comparing Modric with two youngsters and someone who is essentially semi-retired? If you're trying to say that Modric would get into our squad and would get games, then yes of course you're correct. But he isn't the kind of player I'd say we should shell out millions for, given that he has reached his peak... Which looks impressive at a club like Spurs, not so much at a club like United/Madrid.
Berbatov was Spurs' level, yet Manchester United and City were battling it out to pay £30m for him, I'm not sure what your point is?
I wouldn't even consider swapping Carrick for Modric. I don't believe for one second Modric could come in and even come close to doing the job that Carrick does for us. And to be quite frank, there hasn't been a better midfielder in the league this season, Carrick has been that immense. Does all of the dirty work, very good going back and forward and unbelievably consistent nowadays.In what way is he a Spurs kind of player?
Are you suggesting he's not a better midfielder than Scholes, Giggs, Anderson, Fletcher, Cleverley and Kagawa in their current incarnations?
He's better than Carrick too imo but some will debate that. There's no way he wouldn't massively improve this club.
This is the exact same muppetry we had will RVP with people saying he wasn't that good and that they'd rather we develop Welbeck, Hernandez and Macheda. feck that, if a world class player who fits our style is available for a reasonable figure we should grab the opportunity with both hands.
Like who?I wouldn't even consider swapping Carrick for Modric. I don't believe for one second Modric could come in and even come close to doing the job that Carrick does for us. And to be quite frank, there hasn't been a better midfielder in the league this season, Carrick has been that immense. Does all of the dirty work, very good going back and forward and unbelievably consistent nowadays.
And to try to claim there's NO WAY he wouldn't massively improve the club is just silly. Nobody really knows. If we brought him it's quite likely he'd improve us, but you say it like it's a fact and there's no possibility what so ever that he could come in and not work what so ever.
Personally I never got the idea of everybody craving for Modric. That's not putting the guy down, clearly a very good player, but for me there were always much better options out there in his price range.
Are you going to elaborate then?You did.
The comment that "there are much better players out there for the money" is constantly thrown about on here - and usually people don't actually name anyone.Like who?
We don't even really need a central midfielder as much anymore anyway now Cleverley's come through I just really think it's ridiculous for people to say they wouldn't want him here or he's not good enough when he clearly is.
You suspect wrong.Are you going to elaborate then?
I suspect not.
Missed the point. Woooosh!
You did.
Stop spamming the forum with tedious nonsense. If you've got something to say, say it. Otherwise just don't bother posting.You suspect wrong.
You posted "As things stand if offered Modric or Anderson I know who I'd take. And I suspect the vast majority of fans of other top clubs would say the same" in response to my post, thing is.... I obviously agree with that, but it wasn't my point.
You said you didn't think Modric would be better than Cleverly or Anderson at their peaks.You suspect wrong.
You posted "As things stand if offered Modric or Anderson I know who I'd take. And I suspect the vast majority of fans of other top clubs would say the same" in response to my post, thing is.... I obviously agree with that, but it wasn't my point.
I personally think if he wanted to go, and if a new Madrid manager had other targets in mind, you'd get him for significantly less.Modric for up to £30 million would be an excellent signing imo.
He's PL proven, he has enough experience without being too old and he would be a perfect long-term replacement for Scholes. Unlikely to happen though.
Exactly. I'm certainly not convinced of it anyway.You said you didn't think Modric would be better than Cleverly or Anderson at their peaks.
You obviously got my point, because you just bloody posted it above.You say I missed the point then fair enough. But I still don't know what your "point" was. No matter anyway - but it helps on an internet forum if you don't speak in riddles. Its just confusing.
we will keep developing these two. signing modric will not hinder that.Would prefer to keep developing Clev and Ando.
the point remins irrespective of the price. not one club has made a bid for any of them.Prices are irrelevant now days. Henderson went for 20m and I know which player I would rather have out of Cleverley and Henderson.
Obviously, but I'd prefer someone to replace Carrick rather than another player doing similar jobs to Clev / Ando.we will keep developing these two. signing modric will not hinder that.
I said the same mate.i harped on about this when i suggested we needed another centre forward in the summer. everybody disagreed saying that in would hinder welbeck and hernandez. thats bollox. good players, world class players help younger players develop. hernandez and welbeck and even rooney will all learn and develop from training and playing with RVP.
Berbatov is "Spurs quality" and a better player than Welbeck currently; it doesn't mean that we should have sold Welbeck instead of Berbatov!Yes because you were the one being ridiculous and saying Spurs is his level when clearly he's better than all our central midfielders (imo including Carrick but either way he's better than Anderson, Cleverley, Scholes, Fletcher and Giggs). In which case if Spurs is Modric's 'level' then clearly all our midfielders aren't at 'Manchester United's level' because they're worse than Modric, which clearly isn't true.
Luka Modric would massively improve this club, he's a clear upgrade on our current midfielders and offers a style of play we don't currently have (i.e a mobile midfielder who can play in a two and create lots of chances in the final third). Claiming Spurs is his level is unbelivably stupid, he's a class player, one of the top ten central midfielders in world football.
I imagine you were the same people against signing RVP because we had Danny Welbeck for god's sake.
I don't know how much of that is true. That is a pretty bold statement. Modric is one of the best midfielders in the world, whereas Ando is injury prone and Cleverley is just starting out.Berbatov is "Spurs quality" and a better player than Welbeck currently; it doesn't mean that we should have sold Welbeck instead of Berbatov!
Anderson and Cleverley, if they reach their potential, will be superior to Modric. The fact is you can't have a full squad of 27 year old big money, big wage players. As I already said if he was here, of course he'd get games and of course he would improve our squad to some degree, but so would Dembele, Vertonghen, Lennon or Sandro, it doesn't mean I think we should be in for them, or that Tottenham isn't their level. He is the kind of player that a team is build around, but unfortunately isn't good enough to have a top, top team built around (again - like Berbatov).
In my opinion he is nowhere near one of the top 10 midfielders in the world, maybe the Premier League, but not the world.
Edit: And no, quite the opposite with RVP. I said that we'd have won 6 titles in a row with him and if he was available we should break the bank for him, as I believe(d) he was the best striker in the world.
You realise that Modric is only 2½ years older than Anderson. If the latter is going to "reach his potential" and surpass Modric then he'd better get his skates on.... Anderson and Cleverley, if they reach their potential, will be superior to Modric. ...
I disagree that Modric is one of the best midfielders in the world; if you are of this opinion it is no surprise that you disagree. You only need to look at where Spurs are in the league to see that he's overrated and hasn't been sorely missed.I don't know how much of that is true. That is a pretty bold statement. Modric is one of the best midfielders in the world, whereas Ando is injury prone and Cleverley is just starting out.
Modric will significantly improve us in the midfield. Scholes is on his last legs and there is a big question mark over Fletcher's return. That gives us plenty of room to add another 80k/week midfielder, who will be in the prime of his career. Most midfielders do not start coming into their own before they are 25-26. Modric ran the show when he was at Spurs and dictated the pace and tempo of games, which Ando and Clev still have to learn. We play enough games to rotate all of them and not stunt their development.
I don't really get the point with Dembele, Vertonghen, Lennon or Sandro. Is Lennon better than our wingers? Vertonghen? Does our defense need another ball playing defender when we are fully stacked in the position? Sandro and Dembele - Modric is a far better player than both of them.
I didn't say he would definitely reach it, only that he has the potential too. Obviously injuries have meant that he's 2-3 years behind where he would have been.You realise that Modric is only 2½ years older than Anderson. If the latter is going to "reach his potential" and surpass Modric then he'd better get his skates on.
I don't think you are looking it the right way, buddy? Cesc left at the end of the 2010-2011 season and Arsenal improved two points and one position better last season. Does that mean Cesc is not a world class midfielder and Arteta is better than him?I disagree that Modric is one of the best midfielders in the world; if you are of this opinion it is no surprise that you disagree. You only need to look at where Spurs are in the league to see that he's overrated and hasn't been sorely missed.
My point re: the four Spurs players was that you can be a "Spurs level player", but still a player who would improve our squad to some degree. It's as Fergie said a few seasons ago; It's finding the right player. Only Liverpool spend tons of cash on players that would only slightly improve their squad.
If we were looking seriously at Modric, we may as well buy/have bought Felliani, Cabaye, Dembele or Sandro for less. Or look for a genuinely top class talent abroad for a similar fee.
I didn't say he would definitely reach it, only that he has the potential too. Obviously injuries have meant that he's 2-3 years behind where he would have been.
Saying that Modric was 26 before he had 100 appearances in a top league and started to get recognised as a quality player. Anderson has 92 appearances at 24 (for a much better team), so he still has a couple of years even if he blooms at the same age.
He just needs to stay fit and he'll be smashing the likes of Modric.You realise that Modric is only 2½ years older than Anderson. If the latter is going to "reach his potential" and surpass Modric then he'd better get his skates on.
So which club is Welbeck the quality of? Because he's clearly not better than Berbatov? Or is that not how this '<insert team> quality' game works?Berbatov is "Spurs quality" and a better player than Welbeck currently; it doesn't mean that we should have sold Welbeck instead of Berbatov!
As Glaston just pointed out Anderson is almost the same age as Modric, one is considered one of the best midfielders around, hence why Real Madrid spent £32m on him, one is basically considered an injury prone flop by almost everyone outside the club.Anderson and Cleverley, if they reach their potential, will be superior to Modric.
This argument is so ridiculous. What do you know about our club finances, who's on what wages or what we can and can't afford? Almost nothing. You don't know what Modric is earning at Madrid, you don't know what he'd ask from us or what Anderson, Carrick, Fletcher or Cleverley currently make in comparison.The fact is you can't have a full squad of 27 year old big money, big wage players.
He would replace Cleverley though, who he's clearly better than right now.As I already said if he was here, of course he'd get games and of course he would improve our squad to some degree, but so would Dembele, Vertonghen, Lennon or Sandro, it doesn't mean I think we should be in for them, or that Tottenham isn't their level. He is the kind of player that a team is build around, but unfortunately isn't good enough to have a top, top team built around (again - like Berbatov).
10 better midfielders then?In my opinion he is nowhere near one of the top 10 midfielders in the world, maybe the Premier League, but not the world.
