[Pogue Mahone]

That would be Bruno. Carry on.

Shaw has had some excellent runs of form. Also some very poor ones. And, as far as the person you’re talking to is concerned, those poor runs have been more than enough for him to try and claim Bruno is absolutely useless whenever he’s had a similar dip in form. He also has this weird blind spot about players who are constantly injured, as though that isn’t a problem for the team.

Fully fit and playing at his best Shaw is a terrific player. We haven’t seen that player even nearly enough over the course of his United career as a whole. And the flakiness predated his leg break too, which came at the end of his first really good run of form, following on from a fairly lengthy spell of not being very good at all.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

He's up there for sure just wildly unlucky with injuries.

There’s definitely more to injury prone players than luck. Whether it’s the toughness to play through pain and/or the discipline to stay in peak physical condition (and, as far as Shaw is concerned, optimal weight) there’s definitely a role the player can play themselves in getting more durable. I mean, remember Giggs and his dodgy hamstrings? Yoga, clean living and selling his sports car sorted him out.

 

[Jeppers7]

That would be Bruno. Carry on.

That’s your opinion. Bruno has been garbage far too often to be close to that for me. Shaws general level of performance is just very good. Injuries have hindered him but he’s been consistently good.

 

[Maluco]

He needs to go. He doesn’t contribute enough and the likes of him and Rashford, out longest serving players, have failed to cultivate a dressing room or provide the example needed for the younger players coming through.

Bruno is out there trying his best and giving it his all in spite of the mad coaching and insane tactics Ten Hag has employed.

There needs to be a clear out of the old guard and Shaw is at the top of the list with Rashford and Martial.

 

[Jeppers7]

Shaw has had some excellent runs of form. Also some very poor ones. And, if you’re talking to who I think you’re talking to, those poor runs have been more than enough for him to try and claim Bruno is absolutely useless whenever he’s had a similar dip in form. He also has this weird blind spot about players who are constantly injured, as though that isn’t a problem for the team.

Fully fit and playing at his best Shaw is a terrific player. We haven’t seen that player even nearly enough over the course of his United career as a whole. And the flakiness predated his leg break too, which came at the end of his first really good run of form, following on from a fairly lengthy spell of not being very good at all.

Bruno hasn’t had a similar dip in form you weapon. Remember when you had a major issue with 1 in 3 and 1 in 5. Bueller ? Bruno has just gone through 7 months of poor form. 2 seasons ago he did the same. Last season he wasn’t great. Shaw when fit is generally good.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

That would be Bruno. Carry on.

That’s your opinion. Bruno has been garbage far too often to be close to that for me. Shaws general level of performance is just very good. Injuries have hindered him but he’s been consistently good.

It’s not just their opinion. I think it would be extremely one sided. It’s Bruno and it’s not even close.

 

[Irwin99]

I'm very much for changing the shape of the squad and seeing some of these older players out, but in the back of my mind i do wonder if Shaw could prolong his career and maybe improve his fitness by moving to be more of a centre back. Maybe clutching at straws but he's probably going to be hard to shift anyway.

 

[Jeppers7]

It’s not just their opinion. I think it would be extremely one sided. It’s Bruno and it’s not even close.

It’s pure narrative…can you give me one season where Shaw has performed poorly? I can’t. He’s been injured, but when fit he’s been very good. Bruno has been shite this season. Shite two seasons ago and he was t great last season.

Performance wise Shaw has just been consistently miles better. It’s not even close.

 

[RikRuud]

Need to be replacing him. Great when fit but just too injury prone. He should be the second choice LB next year and an option at LCB when required.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

It’s pure narrative…can you give me one season where Shaw has performed poorly?

He was crap in his first season, and crap under Mourinho in 2017/18 who couldn’t stand the guy.

He’s been here 10 seasons, had a couple of crap ones, a bunch of complete write-offs, a bunch of stop start ones and he started wank this season before it being another stop start one.

I always gave him the benefit of the doubt after his first season and then stuck up for him for years after the leg break, standing firm in the belief he needed 3 years to get back after that.
But even after those 5 seasons, he’s only been very good for two of the next 5. That’s just not good enough and one of the reasons we are where we are, we can’t rely on our best left back to be fit or in form from one season to the next.
Of the 10 seasons I’d say he’s had 2 really good ones. The guy you hate has had at least that in half the amount of seasons.

 

[Oranges038]

Be good to see the back of Martial to be fair. He was a good player for us for 4 years or so…but it’s time to go. Shaw…he’s class. By far our best player since SAF.

He's had 2 decent seasons out of 10.

For all his flaws Bruno has been twice the player, I'd even have Rashford well above Shaw on that list too.

He should be one of the first players out the door in the summer.

 

[Remember the geese]

Shaw

Can't be relied upon. Should be replaced.

 

[BorisManUtd]

Surprised with the amount of people thinking we should sell Shaw in the summer, even though he is injury-prone. Think we'll be selling and releasing lots of them anyway, many 28+ players as well (Casemiro, Eriksen, Varane, Martial, Lindelof) so have to keep some of them. Bruno and Shaw of the older ones to stay seems right to me, then review it in a year.

 

[RuudTom83]

I hope he isn’t miraculously fit for the Euros, that would piss me rite off.

 

[Dve]

He's been consistently good every second season. So keep him. Until end of next season.

 

[Back To Madeira]

Wow he still has another 4 years on his deal?!

It's a simple equation - when fit and in form he's outstanding. But he tends to miss 20 games a season which is a huge chunk.

If he's got a slight chance of being back this season it has to very carefully considered if that's wise.
Definitely shouldn't be going to a summer tournament unless he's played 2-3 games here and done very well.

This needs to stop.

 

[tentan]

How long is his contract?

 

[caid]

How long is his contract?

ends in 2027

 

[Pronewbie]

He's been consistently good every second season. So keep him. Until end of next season.

Agreed. Unless someone comes in with a good offer.

 

[Waynne]

Surprised with the amount of people thinking we should sell Shaw in the summer, even though he is injury-prone. Think we'll be selling and releasing lots of them anyway, many 28+ players as well (Casemiro, Eriksen, Varane, Martial, Lindelof) so have to keep some of them. Bruno and Shaw of the older ones to stay seems right to me, then review it in a year.

I agree with this. First off the books in the summer has to be the old donkeys in Cas, Varane and Eriksen followed by Martial and Rashford.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Surprised with the amount of people thinking we should sell Shaw in the summer, even though he is injury-prone. Think we'll be selling and releasing lots of them anyway, many 28+ players as well (Casemiro, Eriksen, Varane, Martial, Lindelof) so have to keep some of them. Bruno and Shaw of the older ones to stay seems right to me, then review it in a year.

That is typically how Shaw survived throughout his career here. Because there was always bigger headaches to take card of

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Surprised with the amount of people thinking we should sell Shaw in the summer, even though he is injury-prone.

I think Shaw needs replacing as first choice left back without question. I wouldn’t sell him though, and I imagine many share that sentiment.

 

[Desert Eagle]

He's going to come back ,play himself into a little fitness and form and be ready for England duty in the summer where he will put in great performances. Pisses me off to no end these players who give more for their country than their club who pay their wages.

Probably needs to be sold next summer and a starter level replacement brought in.

 

[golden_blunder]

I think Shaw needs replacing as first choice left back without question. I wouldn’t sell him though, and I imagine many share that sentiment.

Yes exactly. We need to stop relying on him in our plans. Wouldn’t be surprised if Martinez goes the same way

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Yes exactly. We need to stop relying on him in our plans. Wouldn’t be surprised if Martinez goes the same way

Unreliable players are one of the worst things you can have in a squad especially if they are important players too.

Shaw, Martinez & Mount could’ve made this season look very different, but instead we go into the Summer likely looking for a new manager & facing the dilemma of taking a chance on their fitness, else replacing them. Can anyone really say we don’t now need 2 starting CB’s & a new left back? Despite Shaw & Martinez being pretty much as good as anyone we could buy when fit and in form.

The focus is going to have to be on this season & whether or not we could risk going into next season on the fools hope that the three of them stay fit.

 

[AltiUn]

I think Shaw needs replacing as first choice left back without question. I wouldn’t sell him though, and I imagine many share that sentiment.

I'd agree with this, fantastic player just unreliable. We can't risk another season like this.

 

[golden_blunder]

Unreliable players are one of the worst things you can have in a squad especially if they are important players too.

Shaw, Martinez & Mount could’ve made this season look very different, but instead we go into the Summer likely looking for a new manager & facing the dilemma of taking a chance on their fitness, else replacing them. Can anyone really say we don’t now need 2 starting CB’s & a new left back? Despite Shaw & Martinez being pretty much as good as anyone we could buy when fit and in form.

The focus is going to have to be on this season & whether or not we could risk going into next season on the fools hope that the three of them stay fit.

If we are going to keep them I hope it’s on the basis of whatever we get out of them is a bonus. We absolutely should be bringing in replacements for them. Then may the man in form (and fitness) keep his place

 

[Stadjer]

That is typically how Shaw survived throughout his career here. Because there was always bigger headaches to take card of

I think Shaw has survived by actually playing well when he is fit. He is injured way too often but when he is playing he usually reminds fans and managers why he should stay. When he picks up another injury you start questioning him again but those questions are quickly forgotten when he starts playing again.

 

[MadDogg]

He's had 2 decent seasons out of 10.

Shaw has had two brilliant seasons. Two or three good. Two bad. And three (arguably four) basically wiped out through injury. So when he's fit the good comfortably outweighs the bad, but the injuries make it so difficult to rely on him.

 

[Andy_Cole]

Surprised with the amount of people thinking we should sell Shaw in the summer, even though he is injury-prone. Think we'll be selling and releasing lots of them anyway, many 28+ players as well (Casemiro, Eriksen, Varane, Martial, Lindelof) so have to keep some of them. Bruno and Shaw of the older ones to stay seems right to me, then review it in a year.

Missed more games through injury since 20/21 than Martial.

 

[Oranges038]

Shaw has had two brilliant seasons. Two or three good. Two bad. And three (arguably four) basically wiped out through injury. So when he's fit the good comfortably outweighs the bad, but the injuries make it so difficult to rely on him.

This is his 11th season,

He's had 4 seasons where he's made more than 30 appearances, 1 where he played 33 games, 3 where he played 40+.

So for the other 7 seasons there's 1 season where he made 27 appearances and 6 where he's made 20 or less.

I am at a loss as to where these 2 brilliant and 2 or 3 good seasons have come from. When overall he's really only had 4 seasons out of 11 where he's been available for most of the games.

 

[BorisManUtd]

This is his 11th season,

He's had 4 seasons where he's made more than 30 appearances, 1 where he played 33 games, 3 where he played 40+.

So for the other 7 seasons there's 1 season where he made 27 appearances and 6 where he's made 20 or less.

I am at a loss as to where these 2 brilliant and 2 or 3 good seasons have come from. When overall he's really only had 4 seasons out of 11 where he's been available for most of the games.

The way I remember it:

14/15 - injured more often than not
15/16 - that injury at PSV and before that he started the season brilliantly
16/17 - injured most of the season
17/18 - injured or not picked by Mourinho most of the season
18-19 - player of the season
19/20 - really good and available more often than not
20/21 - really good
21/22 - poor
22/23 - really good
23/24 - injured for most of the season

 

[Irwin99]

The way I remember it:

14/15 - injured more often than not
15/16 - that injury at PSV and before that he started the season brilliantly
16/17 - injured most of the season
17/18 - injured or not picked by Mourinho most of the season
18-19 - player of the season
19/20 - really good and available more often than not
20/21 - really good
21/22 - poor
22/23 - really good
23/24 - injured for most of the season

Big disagree there. I've often maintained that he's never put together two consistently great seasons and there were fans that were annoyed with him that season and wanted Williams starting ahead of him because of poor form in the first half of the season. He had a better end to the season but as a whole it was kind of mid, especially compared to the previous season which was his first really good year for the club.

On the plus side, we're due a good season from him next year if the pattern is anything to go by

 

[MadDogg]

The way I remember it:

14/15 - injured more often than not
15/16 - that injury at PSV and before that he started the season brilliantly
16/17 - injured most of the season
17/18 - injured or not picked by Mourinho most of the season
18-19 - player of the season
19/20 - really good and available more often than not
20/21 - really good
21/22 - poor
22/23 - really good
23/24 - injured for most of the season

Yeah, that sounds about right. Should also be noted that in 17/18 he should have played more than he did. Young was brilliant for the first half of that season, but he fell away a fair bit in the second half and Shaw was at least as good.

I think it was 20/21 he was the best leftback in the world. I think there was another poor-ish season in there as well though, 19/20 I believe.

 

[daveskimufc]

Think he should be moved to 2nd choice LCB, and also think he would be good in a back 3.

Get a new LB

 

[MadDogg]

This is his 11th season,

He's had 4 seasons where he's made more than 30 appearances, 1 where he played 33 games, 3 where he played 40+.

So for the other 7 seasons there's 1 season where he made 27 appearances and 6 where he's made 20 or less.

I am at a loss as to where these 2 brilliant and 2 or 3 good seasons have come from. When overall he's really only had 4 seasons out of 11 where he's been available for most of the games.

It's his 10th season.

And like I said in my above post, I largely agree with what BorisManUtd posted other than 19/20 (at least I think it was that year) where he did struggle a bit.

 

[Grande]

The way I remember it:

14/15 - injured more often than not
15/16 - that injury at PSV and before that he started the season brilliantly
16/17 - injured most of the season
17/18 - injured or not picked by Mourinho most of the season
18-19 - player of the season
19/20 - really good and available more often than not
20/21 - really good
21/22 - poor
22/23 - really good
23/24 - injured for most of the season

To me it makes little sense talking about the first four years here. He came as an 18 years old prospect expected to come good in time, almost had his carreer ruined by that horrific leg break, and was not up to speed until after the second Mourinho season. As Mourinho said: he had much to learn, and he came good like young players do during that last year under Mourinho. I see that as his breakthrough in the team. Since that, he has had one season lost to injury (this), and five where he has played 30 to 50 games. One year he was poor, like everybody else, the other four he was very good to brilliant at best. That’s an important contribution four out of six seasons, which is normal for a top level player.

 

[Scandi Red]

As sad as it is write, Shaw is one of our best signings post Fergie. I'd put him in 2nd. Martinez clearly has the potential, but it's way too premature to put him ahead of Shaw. Herrera was decent enough. Zlatan was good, but only gave us one year.

Very unreliable though. It's not just the injuries. His form has on multiple occasions plummeted for several months.

 

[BorisManUtd]

Big disagree there. I've often maintained that he's never put together two consistently great seasons and there were fans that were annoyed with him that season and wanted Williams starting ahead of him because of poor form in the first half of the season. He had a better end to the season but as a whole it was kind of mid, especially compared to the previous season which was his first really good year for the club.

On the plus side, we're due a good season from him next year if the pattern is anything to go by

Perhaps you're right. It's just that I remember how he gave us another dimension in our attacking play and thought that was in 19/20. Was probably more towards the end of the season as you say, do know it was after Covid and without fans.

Yeah, that sounds about right. Should also be noted that in 17/18 he should have played more than he did. Young was brilliant for the first half of that season, but he fell away a fair bit in the second half and Shaw was at least as good.

I think it was 20/21 he was the best leftback in the world. I think there was another poor-ish season in there as well though, 19/20 I believe.

Yeah 20/21 he was terrific and his early goal against Italy in EUROS final way icing on the cake.

 

[fps]

He needs to go. He doesn’t contribute enough and the likes of him and Rashford, out longest serving players, have failed to cultivate a dressing room or provide the example needed for the younger players coming through.

Bruno is out there trying his best and giving it his all in spite of the mad coaching and insane tactics Ten Hag has employed.

There needs to be a clear out of the old guard and Shaw is at the top of the list with Rashford and Martial.

Point about cultivating a dressing room of high standards is key.