Crashoutcassius
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He must mean that ole just needs to coach the team
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I know what you're saying but really there isn't a finite amount of spots, and we moved from Europa to CL which is what ole used to say that we need to strengthen without throwing any current players under the bus - we simply need more experience and quality in the squad because there are less 'rest' games in the CLWhile I agree with the point, I don't think that a current player should make that type of statement mainly because there is a finite amount of spots in the squad and that he is essentially making the point that some of his teammates should be jettisoned. How is the locker room supposed to take it and it's even worse when it comes from a player that shouldn't be a guaranteed mainstay. But there is one positive about it, we now know without doubts that this football club doesn't have strong leadership at the managerial level which includes both Woodward and Ole.
There is literally a finite amount of spot, you have a limited amount of players that you can register in each competitions.I know what you're saying but really there isn't a finite amount of spots, and we moved from Europa to CL which is what ole used to say that we need to strengthen without throwing any current players under the bus - we simply need more experience and quality in the squad because there are less 'rest' games in the CL
Right. You’ve taken my objection to one of our players publicly saying we can’t compete without signings as some sort of post thinking we’re good enough. There’s a balance. Yes, we need to improve. However, I don’t really think players publicly and privately thinking we’re fecked going into the season is a particularly good thing. What sort of mentality is that? How about they try and fecking improve? Luke Shaw is paid a sodding fortune. He’s one the ones we apparently want to replace. Maybe he should look in the mirror and think about why that’s the case. He can start by looking at his piss poor defending for the first goal yesterday.Not half as bonkers as your post.
It's clear as day that this squad isn't good enough to compete at the highest level, and it's it seems pretty obvious that the ambition of the club as displayed by the owners is frustrating everyone but...well...the cnuts in charge.
Our form at the end of the season was utter wank...we got by. The last time we played anything like cohesive football was the second half at Villa.
And who is talking about 200 million? It's crazy to think we can't significantly improve this squad and even first 11 with a decent budget.
We could have backed the positivity feeling of last season by showing some actual intent on improving...
Yesterday was about alot more than that though which is where I think you have a point.
Which top player would that be?How long until we see a Rooney moment where a top player publicly questions the club's ambition and requests a transfer?
No it's not, he has been unfit and poor for years. Couple of good games in between doesn't change that fact. But he is completely right regarding this.Yeah it's ridiculous.
Ole and Shaw are saying the same thing so you can see it’s not Ole being the problem and very much the owners and Woodward dragging their heels or penny pinching so they can pay themselves bigger dividends.
We’ve been tracking Sancho as our number one target for two years and now can have him but won’t pay the fee whilst we’ve apparently according to two tier one journalists agreed terms with Telles but haven’t agreed a fee, simply put Woodward and Judge are awful negotiators and struggle working on agreeing deals with other clubs because they’re NOT football men.
When Pogba refuses to sign a contract offer I’ll take it as such.How long until we see a Rooney moment where a top player publicly questions the club's ambition and requests a transfer?
I'm feeling deflated myself.It's astonishing when you think we scraped top four and are relatively weaker than last season due to the lack of improvements.
I was so optimistic about the summer with top four and Sanchez wages gone
They were all pretty bad. Shaw certainly was far from the worst of them though.We definitely need a LB Luke, to give you a boost, the way you played yesterday.
Shaw dropped a clanger, but apart from that, wasn't too bad, in comparison.They were all pretty bad. Shaw certainly was far from the worst of them though.
Pleased he said this.
I understand this but let's see these top players putting a shift in like other teams do against us - that's the fundamental difference that Keane, Beckham, Scholes etc would always say about their time at the club - match the other team in effort and then play them off the park.Need more than him saying it.
Need our captain, need bruno, pogba, our key players saying it
I thought Shaw and VBD linked up really well vs Villa. Ole really should have started VDB and brought Pogba on later IMO, but it's all very well to say that in hindsight.Shaw dropped a clanger, but apart from that, wasn't too bad, in comparison.
Rashford seriously stifled him, and he lit up when DVB came on with his pass and move style.
FixedDefinitely. Big players used to sign for Man Utd to win big trophies. When they see the club has stagnated it can't help but leave them disillusioned. If you are Pogba would you sign a new deal seeing how unambitious the club's ownership is?
I’ve been trying to make this point in the Ole out thread.This goes with what Neville was saying on commentary yesterday that the players themselves feel the need for signings to spell them relief and add quality to compete.
They're not thick. They know thier success also rests on a good squad. It pains me to say it but Liverpool are doing things perfectly right now - other than signing a partner for VVD.Watching the Amazon Spurs show this isn’t a surprise. The players watch SSN and keep up to date on Twitter for news as much as us.
You wouldnt get £10 mill for Jones and Rojo and struggle to get it for Periera. The other 3 would all go for £10 mill apiece though.I think the team selection yesterday was also to prove a point. James for example was only supposed to be a prospect/ squad player for the time been.
I get that the C-19 stuff has affected income. What I don’t understand is why we don’t just have a set price fire sale of 10million for all the players who’ll not be getting a game.
Snalling, Jones, Romero, Rojo, Lingard and Perriera could all go for £10 million each. £60 000 000 brought back in plus the wages saved. Possibly even add Mata to that list, if we got Sancho and if we bring in a left back we could get Dalot out too.
To be honest, forget the questions on whether Donny can start with Brunogba,I thought Shaw and VBD linked up really well vs Villa. Ole really should have started VDB and brought Pogba on later IMO, but it's all very well to say that in hindsight.
It's a pretty bad look and I agree he's basically calling some of his teammates not good enough but equally it needs to be said. There's no point gilding the lily at this stage.While I agree with the point, I don't think that a current player should make that type of statement mainly because there is a finite amount of spots in the squad and that he is essentially making the point that some of his teammates should be jettisoned. How is the locker room supposed to take it and it's even worse when it comes from a player that shouldn't be a guaranteed mainstay. But there is one positive about it, we now know without doubts that this football club doesn't have strong leadership at the managerial level which includes both Woodward and Ole.
It doesn't need to be said, it serves no purpose, it's not going to make anyone within the club realize that the team needs to improve, Ole and/or Woodward didn't read that interview with attention and told themselves that Shaw may be onto something. Fans need to make a big difference between their need for validation and how a club, player or manager should act.It's a pretty bad look and I agree he's basically calling some of his teammates not good enough but equally it needs to be said. There's no point gilding the lily at this stage.
At this point only the stupid ones do. The rest surely understands that there's not much chance of doing that here, unless they're content with the odd League Cup or FA Cup.Definitely. Players sign for Man Utd to win trophies. When they see the club stagnate it can't help but leave them disillusioned. If you are Pogba would you sign a new deal seeing how unambitious the club's ownership is?
Well, this is just wrong. The fans have only so many ways to put pressure on our feckless higher-ups.It doesn't need to be said, it serves no purpose, it's not going to make anyone within the club realize that the team needs to improve, Ole and/or Woodward didn't read that interview with attention and told themselves that Shaw may be onto something. Fans need to make a big difference between their need for validation and how a club, player or manager should act.
Why? In your previous post you question how the dressing room is meant to take this kind of statement and say it's worse coming from Shaw as he should arguably be replaced, yet you accept the fans having confirmation of a lack of leadership at the club as a positive. For me there is a further positive in that Shaw as a man under scrutiny still feels it necessary to voice his concerns about the squad, which is an interesting insight into how he and other squad members may be feeling about the current situation. 'Needs to be said' is surely over the top so thanks for picking me up on that, as pretty much no footballer saying anything has ever been absolutely necessary, but I disagree that any form of affirmation from the words of footballers and managers is out of the question for football fans.It doesn't need to be said, it serves no purpose, it's not going to make anyone within the club realize that the team needs to improve, Ole and/or Woodward didn't read that interview with attention and told themselves that Shaw may be onto something. Fans need to make a big difference between their need for validation and how a club, player or manager should act.
There’s nothing wrong with what he’s saying. Sunday league teams have these things happen all the time and it doesn’t affect the dressing room. Senior players telling others to piss off politely or otherwise. Professional sportsmen should be fine with some hard truths. I think Luke Shaw is including himself in the conversation — I’m sure he’s heard about Ole looking for a left back.While I agree with the point, I don't think that a current player should make that type of statement mainly because there is a finite amount of spots in the squad and that he is essentially making the point that some of his teammates should be jettisoned. How is the locker room supposed to take it and it's even worse when it comes from a player that shouldn't be a guaranteed mainstay. But there is one positive about it, we now know without doubts that this football club doesn't have strong leadership at the managerial level which includes both Woodward and Ole.