RedDevil@84
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I am not so convinced by the rushed back excuse. He seemed fine, but just crap.
Varane and lindelof have both been better this season.I don't understand our fans at times. Maguire has been brilliant for us the vast, vast majority of the time, but never seems to have been accepted by some. I can't understand why?
Sure, he has looked poor this season. Show me ONE of our players who has performed well. They have all been abject, because there's no organisation or tactical awareness coming from the dugout.
Maguire is running around 'hero defending', trying to plug gaps. Shaw the same. This is why we look so shambolic. It's also why McTominay and Fred look worse than they actually are, they are all fire-fighting, trying to plug the huge, gaping holes that open up continuously.
Not really seen that personally...how many times has Lindelof played? I can think of Villarreal, Atalanta, Leicester and Liverpool....got battered in all fourVarane and lindelof have both been better this season.
Fatigue or lack of conditioning would result in mental mistakes. Not to mention simply being caught out by the speed of matches. You don’t get the same intensity in training.I am not so convinced by the rushed back excuse. He seemed fine, but just crap.
There is a thread on every player saying how if only this player want playing everything would be fine. Simply put when it’s one or two individuals having a tough time then that’s on the players. When you can’t name one player who is playing well it’s on coaching.Not really seen that personally...how many times has Lindelof played? I can think of Villarreal, Atalanta, Leicester and Liverpool....got battered in all four
Varane is flavour of the month right now so won't get criticised but he's looked far from solid.
Fact is, no defender or DM could look good in this side with this set-up. That doesn't completely absolve them, but I am prepared to reserve judgement until we have a proper coach/manager
In each of those horrible games, he was better. maguire was far more of the problem.Not really seen that personally...how many times has Lindelof played? I can think of Villarreal, Atalanta, Leicester and Liverpool....got battered in all four
Varane is flavour of the month right now so won't get criticised but he's looked far from solid.
Fact is, no defender or DM could look good in this side with this set-up. That doesn't completely absolve them, but I am prepared to reserve judgement until we have a proper coach/manager
Wasn't Ole the proper coach/manager that we all have been looking for since Fergie, who should be given time to complete his masterplan, or you have also jumped ships ?Not really seen that personally...how many times has Lindelof played? I can think of Villarreal, Atalanta, Leicester and Liverpool....got battered in all four
Varane is flavour of the month right now so won't get criticised but he's looked far from solid.
Fact is, no defender or DM could look good in this side with this set-up. That doesn't completely absolve them, but I am prepared to reserve judgement until we have a proper coach/manager
That's a bit harsh. Varane has been quite good apart from a few shaky moments. Surprisingly good in the air and looks our best cb already. Our defense has literally turned to shit without him.Not really seen that personally...how many times has Lindelof played? I can think of Villarreal, Atalanta, Leicester and Liverpool....got battered in all four
Varane is flavour of the month right now so won't get criticised but he's looked far from solid.
Fact is, no defender or DM could look good in this side with this set-up. That doesn't completely absolve them, but I am prepared to reserve judgement until we have a proper coach/manager
100% agreeThere is a thread on every player saying how if only this player want playing everything would be fine. Simply put when it’s one or two individuals having a tough time then that’s on the players. When you can’t name one player who is playing well it’s on coaching.
Line on Ole has been consistent throughout. Give him time to build a side initially, which we did. Then, at the start of this season, I said he has the squad now (its never perfect but good enough) so HAS to challenge.Wasn't Ole the proper coach/manager that we all have been looking for since Fergie, who should be given time to complete his masterplan, or you have also jumped ships ?
Look, I am not here to criticise Varane. I'm just saying that we haven't looked better in the games he has played, we've just played easier opponents. Against Villarreal, Varane played ans Maguire didn't and I think it's actually probably fair to say he WAS a shambles in that game.That's a bit harsh. Varane has been quite good apart from a few shaky moments. Surprisingly good in the air and looks our best cb already. Our defense has literally turned to shit without him.
On that we agree. You did say he's looked far from solid which can be reasonably construed as criticism. No need to rehash it though as we agree the biggest most important problem is the manager.Look, I am not here to criticise Varane. I'm just saying that we haven't looked better in the games he has played, we've just played easier opponents. Against Villarreal, Varane played ans Maguire didn't and I think it's actually probably fair to say he WAS a shambles in that game.
Just goes back to the point I am making which is that the CBs and DMs are being hung out to dry. I have been mega critical of Fred, for example, but this isn't his fault, it's on the manager/coaching staff
Martial, Lukaku, Fellaini, DiMaria, Memphis, Januzaj, Wilson, Schneiderlin, Nani, Smalling - all say hi. They are all players whose form dropped and the fans called for their heads, then repeatedly hoped to see more failure so their 'predictions' would come true.So many fans were on his back before he even started. It's like they are waiting for him to fail. I've never really experienced that with any other player in my 32 years supporting United
I think yours is a very fair and sober assessment. Maguire in the England side is also a player in a very static, staid, cautious team. England barely took any risks and United fans would be losing their minds if United played like Southgate's England. The only time England shows any flair is when they are playing powerhouses like San Marino. When England face decent opposition they lose all imagination. Maguire excels in this kind of system because no one is venturing out of position, he doesn't have to cover as much ground, and the midfield doesn't disappear on him.People using England's run to a final (where they failed) as evidence of Maguire being great are not really cottoning on to the vast difference between league and international football. Add to that Maguire is NOT a CB who an play in a high line of a pressing team (didn't do that for us last year and never for Leicester) because he has zero pace or turnability. He can be good in the right system but he isn't world class (which would mean he can play in any system well) and he isn't suited to a team that presses, only one that sits back and counters as we did to scrape wins most of last season.
Excuse FC.Its not his fault he has Shaw and Lindelof beside him.
Some of us were befuddled with the decision when it was first made so no it's not necessarily a reactionary sentiment and many wanted it stripped after the Greece incident as well. Just never made any sense from the offset when he hadn't even been a captain at Leicester, Sheffield, Hull or for country.Laughable thread. Advocating for your captain to be stripped of his captaincy due to a temporary loss of form
Pogba….So many fans were on his back before he even started. It's like they are waiting for him to fail. I've never really experienced that with any other player in my 32 years supporting United
Add Shaw before last season, Martial, Cleverly, Fellaini, Nani, Ince etc.Pogba….
Rio got plenty of it. In his early days at the club, his missed test and right up until his contract renewal in 2005 he got plenty of abuse and plenty of people wanted him gone. We all know what happened after that.So many fans were on his back before he even started. It's like they are waiting for him to fail. I've never really experienced that with any other player in my 32 years supporting United
Weren't you the confirmed top red from the other thread?Laughable thread. Advocating for your captain to be stripped of his captaincy due to a temporary loss of form
Southgate certainly didn't make Shaw "reasonably competent", he was more than that, almost world class, when he joined the England party at the end of the domestic season.If a limited manager like Southgate can make Maguire/Shaw a reasonable competent defenders then it speaks volumes of Ole's capabilities.
Whist never world class I would like to reserve judgment until he works under a better coac.
Dude Ole plays McFred to basically protect his 2 CBs essentially going with a 6-1-3 formation. How will a 4-3-3 help? Also remember he tried the 5-3-2 formation before and the players were all lost at sea. New formations have to be coached and practiced on the training field and we all know that Ole and his staff do not do any of thatHe's getting over criticized here. He's a very good player.
Its not his fault he has Shaw and Lindelof beside him.
Ole's tactics in playing a midfield two of Fred and Scott and four forwards doesn't help either.
As soon as we go 4-3-3 it will be less pressure on the defense or I think even 5-3-2 at the moment the way we are leaking goals.